Who has the link to report BS coins to EBAY,I do and have done so,40 auctions worth.
100proof1957
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100proof1957
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there are just too many people over paying for overgraded coins !
while i realize this aint a new deal,been a victim myself !
i just cringe when i see some poor sucka on EBAY pay 125.00 for a Lincoln or Jeff thats worth 2 bucks tops !
while i cant educate the world,i can complain to EBAY !
Some months ago I saw a 1909 V.D.B. cent go for about 50 bucks. The coin was worth about 10 bucks tops.
The coin was not misrepresented by the seller as far as I could tell. Who knows why this common coin sold for over 5 times its market value.
Could've been some shilling activity going on to land a sucker. Could've been two bozos in a bidding war. Could've been a seller and some bidders playing a prank.
Who knows. Whatever these HYPE/PRICE rules are my deepest instincts are telling that they will be....
Unenforcable.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
the biggest deal is sellers quoting PCGS prices for 3rd and 4th tier TPG slabs,and in alot of cases listing prices for coins that may not even exist in a given grade via PCGS,NGC,or ANACS !
the pricing just is not relevant,and in fact PCGS pricing for PCGS coins is in most cases way out of line,to which PCGS readily admits,but at least most of us can cypher up a price on those !
Proof
"labeled as such" on the forgery, unmarked copy, altered coin or other spurious numismatic merchandise itself or the holder containing the forgery, unmarked copy, altered coin or other spurious numismatic merchandise?
How much is that clearly labelled, in the auction description and on the body bag from third-party grading service fake SVDB up to now? Last time I looked it was at 114 bucks.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
Here was the response from eBay:
Hello,
Thank you for contacting eBay about item number 3924686530.
I have reviewed the information you sent us regarding a possible
violation of our listing policies. At this point I do not have enough
evidence to show that the member has violated any current eBay listing
policies.
eBay doesn't actually handle the merchandise that is offered for
auction. Without firsthand knowledge of the item, we are unable to
guarantee the accuracy of the listing information. Therefore, no
action will be taken at this time on this issue.
For more information on our listing guidelines, please visit our policy
page at the following URL:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/items-policies.html
I appreciate your continued help in keeping eBay a safe and fair place
to trade. Thank you for being part of the eBay community.
Regards,
Herschel
eBay PowerSeller
Trust & Safety
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Holding at 114 with 3 days to go.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
i could be here all night !
Will FRATTLAW defend me Pro-Bono ?
Now lets see if they do anything.
But even better than that was this guy who , in no uncertain terms, advertised...this is a Gem Bu MS 64 1932-D Washington 25c. What I received was the worst coin I've ever seen . It looked like it had been cleaned with a wire brush. He ignored my emails for weeks. Two Square Trade mediators later(the first one went nuts) I sent his POS back COD and waited and waited for my money but here's the nuts...No sooner than he got it back, he altered the picture and was running it again-BEFORE I ever got my money. I alerted everybody and their brother at eBay, Square Trade, Safe Harbor...not one SOB did a damn thing to stop his 10 day auction. Long about the 5th day of pleading with everyone I flat out told eBay, "If none of you will stop him I damn sure will." With full knowledge of me emailing every last bidder night after night, until all bids were retracted, eBay did me nor him a thing. His bids went down from around $700 to his opening bid of 99.99! I stood guard over that item around the clock and wouldn't you know it, some poor fool happened by at the very last second and bit while nobody either stopped this seller or did a thing to protect unknowing, innocent bidders but me. Jeffrey Garrison -onereg, was the seller and every night I told him it was me that was chasing everyone away! Nobody did him a thing nor me. Your cause is noble and just but unless things have changed drastically, you sir, are DEFINITELY pissing in the wind!
i was kinda hoping the new ANA/EBAY policy (about the last 30 days) would make some of these Super HYPE sellers back off a little.
Now that i think about it,could not Mr Hall's retained council write a few letters to these a'holes re: copyright infringement or trademark infringement,misuse,etc: ?
Mr. Hall,are you listening ?
AHHHHH !
I should run a free auction with info pertaining to PCI,ACG,PGS (theres your TM lawsuit) et al:
im ranting,but im pissed.
It just gives all the legit dealers and little guys a black eye they dont deserve !
If you find a fraudulent listing you are supposed to report it to the CCW group. Unfortunately no one anywhere has thought to provide a link to this group. Not eBay, the ANA, or the trade publications. If by some miracle you do find them and make a report they are to investigate and if your complaint is valid they then notify the ANA. The ANA is then suppost investigate and if they agree they are then to contact the seller and try to get him to make corections. If he declines then the ANA is to contact eBay and inform them. Then eBay is to investigate and decide what type of sanctions to apply.
The problem is that if you don't spot the listing as soon as it is posted by the time it goes through contacting three organizations, three investigations, delays for each group to get to your complaint, and waiting to to give the seller a chance to respond and/or make changes in thei listing, by the time eBay get to the "Pull the auction" stage, it's been over for two days.
The process needs streamlining. The CCW should be a knowledgable impartial body and easy to contact. Once they investigate and decide the complaint is valid their report should go straight to the seller and ebay with the required changes and if they aren't made within 24 hours the auction is pulled. If the report comes less than 24 hours before the end of the auction the auction should be pulled.
if i find a better one i'll link that too !
Proof
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-coins.html
It is specificly for reporting a violation in a coin or paper money auction. But I still think it reports to eBay and not the CCW.
The first link in my post is part for yours i think
the 2 nd link is to actually report it
i still have found no ANA link
<< <i>Well, I spent about an hour trying to contact someone in administration, trying to tell them that there is a group of us that would volunteer to police these boards and we needed to speak with someone in a position of authority that could empower us ( after passing whatever requirements necessary) to shut down obvious fraudulant auctions immediately and somehow work with law enforcement to also file formal charges against these perpetrators. Everyone thought it was a great idea but sad to say, I didn't accomplish what I set out to do. We need a hotline to reach someone that can take immediate action, NOT some stupid email that by the time it is acted on, the auction's over with, the con gets away and the poor innocent buyer gets skewered! >>
Keep trying, don't give up. If you can get it done maybe some of the other categories can get some "auction Police" as well.
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It's truly funny, no make that truly sad, that people in this day and age are so wrapped up in their own little world that they refuse to try and teach someone else the correct or accepted way of doing things.
coins cracking and then reselling them like they are a higher grade
he bought 3924491265 and is selling 3925695912
also he bought 3915114916 and is selling 3925638607
and using pcgs prices hoping to get a newbie to bit
TIm
2 months on EBAY,100 % feedback and all from sellers,all of a sudden he's a rare coin expert ?
ANA Info
Good luck!
<< <i>Ebay has not done a good job of enforcing the new " HYPE/PRICE" rules.
will someone send me the link to complain ?
i will spend a couple hours tonite looking for the crap and report all i find to EBay.
(OR AM I JUST PEEING INTO THE WIND ? )
>>
Unfortunately, you probably are just urinating into a gale force wind.
IMO Ebay doesn't care much, it's principal quest is the Allmighty Buck!
I wouldn't expect much from the likes of ANA or PCGS either.
Caveat Emptor remains supreme, and scammers will have their way with you if you are not very careful.
Look at the Branch Mint Proof scam brought out in this article. If that's not obvious, then I guess nothing ever will be.
I had second chance offers on a $175,000 deal that were bogus. E-Bay's response: Please don't respond to the seller...DUH!!! That is major fraud and they don't even care.
Here is my latest:
Buyer buys a piece of Gold from me $20 NGC MS62. No big deal coin and buyer paid $535, a fair price. Pays me on my old e-mail (Which of course I can't access). I send notice after 3 days asking for how the auction was paid for. Person doesn't lift a finger to call me, write me or work to rectify the situation. I file a non-paying bidder notice after 14 days and E-Bay takes the word of the buyer that I've been paid with no forwarding proof or any effort on the part of the seller to get the payment to me.
What are my options: Appeal (Which I've done and will get no where with), relist, send the buyer a neg and take my fee hit and move on.
Guess we all hope that we deal with good folks and not the kind that want to go through with a deal.
I still keep selling and just count my lucky stars that only about 1 in 100 transactions is bad or doesn't go through for some reason.
Let me know how I can help with the scammers. I like the policing board suggestion, but I just can't see E-Bay caring
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It's truly funny, no make that truly sad, that people in this day and age are so wrapped up in their own little world that they refuse to try and teach someone else the correct or accepted way of doing things.
Let me take a minute to ask some of the readers to review this policy. This is a noble venture but please don't violate rules yourselves in an effort to do kindness as it may bring negative repercussions.
What a disgusting hypocrite. Catfish, you are the last person who should be advising others about violating the "rules," insofar as it concerns online auctions. The absurdity of your sanctimony is exceeded only by the swift collapse of your credibility (read: you're a liar and we know it).
We'd not like to see the guys on the good side get themselves in a bind.
And who is this "we"? You and the blatant fraudsters you defend with unparalleled fervor? What's the matter, the exposure of your fraud hitting you in the wallet?
Catfish commenting on auction ethics is akin to Enron commenting on corporate ethics.
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Cold War Veteran
It's truly funny, no make that truly sad, that people in this day and age are so wrapped up in their own little world that they refuse to try and teach someone else the correct or accepted way of doing things.
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Nothing more need be said -- Catfish's actions in the linked thread, and this one, say all that need to be said.
<< <i>How convient Catfish172/poe58 doesn't provide a link to the post he knows exposes his lies and his hypocrisy.
Nothing more need be said -- Catfish's actions in the linked thread, and this one, say all that need to be said. >>
Are you still under the false assumption that I am poe58? Even after it was proven and attested to by K6AZ in the very thread you referenced? You are clearly unreasonable and to be ignored.
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It's truly funny, no make that truly sad, that people in this day and age are so wrapped up in their own little world that they refuse to try and teach someone else the correct or accepted way of doing things.