Which Coin is "Improperly Cleaned" ??
Ed62
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Here are the reverses of two early dollars in the Pittsb. ANA Heritage auction. Both have been graded by top TPCs. One is condemned as "AU Details-Improperly Cleaned" and the other is AU-55. Which is which ??
(No fair looking at the holder first).
(No fair looking at the holder first).
Ed
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Nope, make that #1
I would say that "improperly cleaned" means it has signs of a cloth wipe, or continuous hairlining in the fields, that is not visible in the pictures. So I will make no guess. I would say both coins have also been dipped, and that one has retoned partially in an album, but this is not considered cleaning for some reason.
<< <i>So you think that color is "natural" ? >>
Natural album toning after it was also cleaned/dipped, reminds me of the Benson coins where most (all??) were cleaned long ago then toned after spending decades in an album.
K S
I would also say by the pics that both have been cleaned...
the second one worse than the first.
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K S
Coin #1, which was graded, got some album toning, which gives it a pseudo original look for the uninitiated. Coin #2, which is in an NCS slab “hard body bag,” looks like it has been cleaned just as much as #1, but it has no little toning ring.
Since we can’t see the obverses, I’ll make the assumption that coin #2 is just cleaned on the obverse and does not have any other problems. If that’s so, I’d crack it out of its NCS crumb-dumb holder and store it in an envelope that IS NOT made from sulfur free paper. Over time the coin will tone, and at some point it could probably be graded. The toning process will take a few to several years. Coin doctors do this a lot faster, but the results are usually not as good.
Don’t laugh. I’ve done this with old (early 1800s) cleaned coins, and it worked for me. I had time because as a collector, I could hold the coins for a number of years.
And I don’t see an ethical problem. After all, how did the original toning get there in the first place? It got there from contaminates in the air and in storage devices. And since we are talking about Mint State coins here, the fact that the mint surface has been removed is not a major problem. Coins grading EF or less are mostly considered to have no mint surface intact.
K S
<< <i>The cleaned the second one so hard there's a big crack in the coin now
Not really! The cracks on this coin are as struck. This is the 1799/8 overdate, 13 stars rev, "crumbled I" variety, bust dollar (the second one).
I agree that both have been cleaned, though. To believe that all these 200 year-old coins are "original" and have never been cleaned would be foolish, IMHO.
Edit: BTW, my 1794 $ has been repaired/doctored at stars 2, 3, and 4.
Is your repaired 1794 dollar in a PCGS or NGC slab? I know there is a rather famous early dollar (1794?) with a lengthy pedigree that has been very obviously repaired. It was in a Heritage auction a few years ago residing in a PCGS slab. Interesting how standards can be bent if the coin is important enough.
Both have been played with. The first coin is in a PCGS slab and the second is in an NCS slab.
<< <i>To: ER
Is your repaired 1794 dollar in a PCGS or NGC slab? I know there is a rather famous early dollar (1794?) with a lengthy pedigree that has been very obviously repaired. It was in a Heritage auction a few years ago residing in a PCGS slab. Interesting how standards can be bent if the coin is important enough. >>
NCS slab, VF Details, Repaired