Question on a 1809 Bust Half and intro

tydye

New guy here - been collecting on and off since I was kid when my dad bought me some Indian Heads. Been reading your board for a few months now and a few days ago took the plunge and signed up as a memeber of the pcgs club. My 2 favorites of my collection are a Houck's panacea counterstamped bust half and a 1795 silver dollar. My current interest is in bust halfs - 2 dates shy of a bust half date set in vf-au grade (07-36). Although not collecting by variety I do try to attribute them. Which leads to my question on this 1809 bust half. I apologize for the picture quality but it is the best I could do with the equipment I have available. Plan to get a new camera soon with better macro. I am hoping the die crack which goes from star 1 to the bottom of star 5 with a larger "blob" in star 4 would help narrow down the field. Help please.
Thanks
Mike
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reverse

coinlieutenant

Welcome!!
Nice half... but what is your question?

coinlieutenant

Oh, I see... you want to know the Overton number...

I really need to buy that book... cant help you... but it is still a nice half.

V.r
John

lordmarcovan

No Overton here, either.

Great lookin' half, though.

And I'd love to see that counterstamped one.

granddad

Nice coin and welcome to the forum.

Louis

BillJones

I think that it is an 1809 O-101. If the "U" in "UNITED" is strongly recut at the bottom, that should nail it. I can't tell if that is true from the picture.

It's rated as an R-5, which means that it would rate a slight premium from an Overton collector who needed one.

tydye

Thanks for the welcomes.
The U does not appear recut to me (however I am a novice at this). And what about the die crack - or would it be a later die state. Would the recut U disappear in a later die state? I might make mention that it is a plain edge as well. If it is an R-5 that would be great as a R-4 is my best rarity to date.
Thanks
Mike

BillJones

Plain edge?

I think I can read "CENT" part way under the date, but maybe I'm seeing things.

It's had to do an Overton number from the angle of this photo. Part of the image is out of focus.

tydye

In overton it lists 3 types of edge varieties - I thought I had the plain edge. I dont see any 111 or XXX between the words. I will see if i take some better shots. My overhead ones had too much light reflecting back. Be right back
Thanks
Mike

oldcameoproofsguy

Nice coin! I like it a lot.

tydye

Here are some overhead pics - a bit washed out - but the best I could do. While I am one the subject of my lousy photos. Any ideas on a good camera for under 500.
Thanks
Mike
obverse take 2
reverse take 2

tydye

While I had my camera and halfs out - I snapped few pics of the pride of my bust collection. I know it is a dark one but I actually prefer them that way. Paid too much for it but I waited 4 years to find one and 20 years to afford one. Still need a 7 and 20 for a complete set.
Mike


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1815r

OKbustchaser

It appears to be a 106...and a nice one. Great looking wing on the eagle rather than the usual bare outline.

OKbustchaser

Also, just saw your '15. Outstanding! Only 4 years?...It pays to wait until you find the right one.

Jim

tydye

Thanks OKbustchaser
I see it now - 106 it is. I could not see the die crack in the plate in the book. But if i would of read it was in the text. The strong wing was the reason I purchased it.
Thanks for the compliment on the 15 - I thought my wife was gonna shoot me when I told her I was going to buy it last year.
I see you are a fan of the 1827s - I cant imagine trying to attribute some of those. I just have one that was attributed already as a 101.
I was hoping to make it ANA this year since it is relatively close to search out the 2 remainig dates I need - but cant due to work - maybe next year.
Thanks again for the help
Mike

Myqqy

Welcome to the boards!! That's a sweet 09 you've got there- I just recently got the third edition of the overton book, but I haven't learned how to use it yet.....
I'm psyching myself up to learn its arcane secrets....
I love bust halves with that fantastic, dark, original toning!!!

tydye

Lordmarcovan
My counterstamps are at a different location. When I am there next I will be sure to snap a few shots for you. I like obscure/odd items. I keep searching but have never found another one like it.
Thanks
Mike

Nysoto

Mike,

That Houck's panacea counterstamped bust half was quite a find. The few auction records for this counterstamp on common date bust halves in VF are in the $402-$605 range - quite a premium. The Pittman examples of Houck's panacea 1828 O.118 VF30 sold for $1760, and his 1806 O.105 F12 sold for $5500 in 1998.