As a dealer /serious collector do you attend shows armed or do you care?

wingedliberty

I recently passed my Florida CCW course and have filed and mailed away for the permit. As serious dealers/collectors, do you care whether a bourse or show promoter allows concealed carry weapons, assuming of couse that the state is not a state that is part of UN sponsored global bolshevism and is a state that allows CCW and has full reciprocity with your state of issue.
I would personally never patronize a show that did not allow law obiding and responsible, fully licensed, dealers and collectors to carry thousands of dollars worth of coins with no protection. Its absurd, even if the collector has only $100 worth of coins on him, its a second ammendment issue. Why would a bouse promoter not allow it, unless he was just a liberal bolshevik who only cared about liability and not cared about a citizens right to self protection. It certainly boggles the mind, considering there are alot of criminals who would stalk dealers and collectors and possibly hold them up in restrooms, or in parking lots, or even follow them out and drive after them , after the show is over. It makes no sense to go to a show unarmed.

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Taurus P132 .32ACP.
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Bear

I wont tell. If someone tries to put the heist on me, they will then have their answer.

MrEureka

Brian - While I commend your support of the Constitutional right to bear arms, clearly an exception needs to be made in the case of coin dealers. Have you every actually met any of these guys??? I would not attend a show that allowed dealers to carry arms. I'd rather play Russian Roulette. It's safer.

cladking

I usually carry a gun when it's legal but try very hard to never depend on it.

Bear

Andy, coin dealers will conduct themselves with firearms the exact same

way they conduct themselves with coins. Hope the coin show will have plenty medics on hand.

wingedliberty

Most coin dealers and collectors are responsible citizens, even when tempers fly, but I am more concerned about the professional criminal who stalks dealers and collectors. I read about it every day.
If they know that you have valuables on you, then you make a perfect target, in alot of cases they do their holdups in parking lots or they follow the dealer/collector to the first place he fills up for gas and then hold them up.

BillJones

The best thing dealers have going for them is anonymity. Blend into to the crowd; dress like tourist; and don’t carry metal brief cases that might as have a sign that says, “I’ve got coins!” written all over it.

Carrying a gun has too many risks, and most of the outcomes are going to be NOT your favor IMO.

The one thing that really P-Os me are these Bozos at the X-ray machine at the airport that have to yell, “He’s got coins!” at the top of their lungs. You might as well pin a sign on my back that says, “Come knock me in the head and take my bag!” If I had my way x-ray people who do that should be fired on the spot.

MrEureka

If I had my way x-ray people who do that should be fired on the spot.

How likely is that? Better to carry a gun and shoot 'em on the spot.

wingedliberty

I think when they yell that out, they will assume that they are talking about pocket change and not numismatic items, but you're right, to a professional criminal, thats a call sign.
TSA employees are cranially challenged., especially at airports.

IrishMike

The constitution when written gave the right to bear arms to a well regulated militia. The way coin dealers get ripped in here I can't imagine that there would be support for them to carry weapons. Just don't wear a name tag with your Forum nickname on it to any coin shows.

Coinosaurus

Last time I came from the Baltimore show the security screener guy in the airport goes, "are you a coin collector?"

I don't think it was the first time he said that, that day.

ar18

I wou;d suggest t go ahead and carry, better to be safe that sorry. Unless you have a bad tempermant I see you getting into no trouble.
P.S. Not trying to start anything but a taurus is a peice of crap but even worse is the.32 acp caliber, that isn't rally going to stop anything, may I suggest a glock 29 in 10mm or if you don't like paying a ton for ammo how about a mid-size glock 19, or if you like taurus, buy a beretta model 84 b in .380, after all taurus buys all of berettas old machinery. MELON LABE!

wingedliberty

I think I'd have a hard time with my Beretta at the airport.


You would think that TSA employees would be properly trained, considering the 9/11 the surcharges we pay on each ticket.

wingedliberty

Ar18:
I have the Glock17, I alternate with the Taurus for the primary CCW.

trozau

45 ACP Glock 36

longtimecollector

.44 mag Dan Wesson 4"

anyone can get a Concealed permit here in Indiana

ar18

I think the neos is garbage too, I had a taurus pt-58 .380 as my first handgun when I was 10 and I will never forget it.....Garbage!! Taurus wheelguns are okay, but autos, my life is worth more. The G-17 is awsome, I have one with over 40,000 rds. logged, with one bar. change, but it is a little too big to carry in my opnion.

Russ

<< <i>Carrying a gun has too many risks, and most of the outcomes are going to be NOT your favor IMO. >>



The real world facts demonstrate otherwise.



<< <i>The constitution when written gave the right to bear arms to a well regulated militia. >>



When written the term "well regulated" did not have anything to do with rules and regulations, and the militia consisted of every adult male absent a criminal record.

Russ, NCNE

wingedliberty

The Glock17-9mm fits my hand perfectly. I don't think its too big at all. Shoots flawlessly also

Russ

Plastic guns. Bleecchhhh.

Russ, NCNE

trozau

<< <i>Plastic guns. Bleecchhhh.

Russ, NCNE >>


We prefer to call it polymer.

MrEureka

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

More here.

wingedliberty

Has any dealer or collector here ever been held up or robbed in or in the proximity of a show.?

lava

My problem is that I am not a good enough aim to simply disarm someone. I have gotten into two shootings, one died one lived, but it was sheer dumb luck. Both were self defense and neither was prosecuted.

newsman

Get a real gun

It's expensive, but worth it.

wingedliberty

newman:
sigs are great, but I prefer the Walther PPK or P99 for that kind of money.

wingedliberty

lava:
I am glad you made it ok and were not seriously injured or prosecuted. I hope those who held you up are dead.

newsman

<< <i>newman:
sigs are great, but I prefer the Walther PPK or P99 for that kind of money. >>



Those are nice guns, but I'm not a fan of the smaller calibers. A .45 ACP is like getting hit by a truck.

ElectricEye

<< <i>Plastic guns. Bleecchhhh.

Russ, NCNE >>



I once thought that as well, but converted. I prefer the Glock over other brands of plastic fantastics. The HK USP series has a few inherent design flaws and S&W doesn't make an autoloader that can shoot straight.

lava

Actually, I did not have any juicy stories of my own, so I borrowed some from the late DWG (may he rest in peace)(recently honored for his pl/dmpl morgan set. Denny owned a liquor store, and was robbed twice. He shot and killed one guy, wounded the guy the other time. Makes me feel good I don't own a liquor store. I miss that guy.

LucyBop

when me and my party attends shows whether they be coin, rockabilly, comic shows, record shows, we are full equiped
and prepared to defend ourselves.

ElectricEye

<< <i>when me and my party attends shows whether they be coin, rockabilly, comic shows, record shows, we are full equiped
and prepared to defend ourselves. >>



gives new meaning to "pow, right in the frankies"

LucyBop

<< <i>

<< <i>when me and my party attends shows whether they be coin, rockabilly, comic shows, record shows, we are full equiped
and prepared to defend ourselves. >>



gives new meaning to "pow, right in the frankies" >>




i think a hollow point would really hurt in that area.....

UncleWiggly

I'm glad this question was asked. I ask the following question in honesty. Is it better to let people know you are armed, or not?


Jerry

ElectricEye

<< <i>Is it better to let people know you are armed, or not? >>



Absolutely not. NEVER reveal you are armed unless situations demand it.

Bear

I have a horse drawn 8 pounder. I never go to a show without it.

hiyosilver

I`ll ride with Bear!

When I do it`s a Ruger P89 9MM, hi-cap 15 rnd. clip,low grain hollows and 1 spare 15 rnd. clip.

Manuel

mrearlygold

AMT Hardballer .45 among other things. You don't need a carry permit to have it in your glove compartment ( In FLA) and if pulled over for speeding, make sure you advise the officer of what's in there.

But carry it around inside a show? That's a bit too much IMHO.

Tom

SethChandler

I carry around an original bank wrapped roll of 1950-D nickels (full steps, of course). If anyone gives me a problem, I just whack them with it.

foodude

I carry around an original bank wrapped roll of 1950-D nickels (full steps, of course). If anyone gives me a problem, I just whack them with it.

I carry a "_____" graded coin and when I tell them this is what I have in stock, the thief says, that crap ain't worth going to prison for and runs

wingedliberty

I think getting hit with with a roll of 50D would hurt like hell. I once dropped a BU roll on my foot, not a pleasant experience for those who have accidentally dropped a roll on their foot, know what I am talking about.
FYI:
In Florida you do not need to have a permit to have a firearm in your car glove box, but you do need one to have a firearm concealed on your body.

291fifth

At a local show about two years ago some very suspicious types entered the bourse room. They stuck out like sore thumbs. Several dealers who carry concealed weapons spotted them and took their guns out, not aiming them at anyone but making it obvious that they were aware of their "surroundings". The suspicious types quick left the room and the area. Nothing was said or done.

One has to consider, however, whether the actual use of the guns would have been wise. It is highly likely that, if charged with any gun related offense, valid or not, their legal fees would have exceeded the value of any inventory they would have lost. (Remember, this is a local bourse, not an ANA).

So far as the second amendment goes, it reads as follows:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

There is no question that present day interpretations of this amendment do not reflect its original intent since it refers specifically to a Militia (note the capitalization). The only thing we ever hear about today, from the gun lobby types, is the last part of the amendment "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I'm just mentioning this out as a matter of information. I don't have particularly strong feelings on this issue. If we simply enforced existing gun laws we would cut down on problems.

wingedliberty

The first part of your story clearly demonstrates how powerful a deterrent brandishing a firearm is, and in that case it was obviously lawful.
As for the second part of your post, well, I would obviously dissagree.

Darkhorse

I'm more of a knife person. Know what the German word for knife is? Messer... they'll mess you up.

291fifth

<< <i>The first part of your story clearly demonstrates how powerful a deterrent brandishing a firearm is, and in that case it was obviously lawful.
As for the second part of your post, well, I would obviously dissagree. >>



Disagree with what?

darktone

Bulldog- 44 special is a good little gun to carry when equiped with some good grips. Low recoil and a big bullet. Any of you guy's try shooting in a building or in the dark? it's a lot different than on a firing range or in the woods. mike

wingedliberty

291fith:
I am refering to your interpretation of the 2nd ammendment, mine is obviously much different.
,but this thread is not a 2nd ammendment debate, but rather a personal protection discussion.

BAJJERFAN

Well the one thing that hasn't changed since the Constitution was written is that YOU are responsible for your own safety and self defense to the extent that you can be. As for a weapon, tis better to have one and not need it, than to need one and not have it.

razorface1027

As for a weapon, tis better to have one and not need it, than to need one and not have it.

I couldn't agree more.

theboz11

In my years of collecting and doing shows, One thing has been very obvious,,, most dealers are armed and Strong armed Theft from Dealers is Rare. That being said,, most Large thefts occur away from the show from broken into trunks or stolen cases that were not attended properly. Very few times is the Thief seen, so the carrying of a firearm May protect the person but not necessarily the coins.

wingedliberty

theboz11:
I agree with you, but would rather not take the chance. Several 1911 subcompacts .45ACP's should do the job. One in your glovebox and one in an ankle holster.
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