Grade this IH/Grade posted

shylock

(edited to add grade and a little history)



First off, this coin is from the collection of Goose3's son, John Jr.. I originally purchased it dirt cheap in Aug. 2000 from Heritage's online inventory, just before really nice 65RD common dates started to dry up. You could cherrypick a few from Heritage every month back then, most of them marked "JH Exceptional". It made its way to the Goose Jr. Collection shortly after that and John Sr. was nice enough to loan it to me this week.

The average of your 19 grades so far (I gave Lakes a 65.5) is 65.75, and that might be about right. When John had it Photosealed by Rick Snow he said basically what Lakes said -- on a good day this could upgrade. Either way, it's more appealing and consistent looking than many of the 66RDs. A few examples:

PCGS MS66RD
PCGS MS66RD
PCGS MS67RD

PCGS pops is 171 in 65RD, 28 in 66RD, and 4 in 67RD. Since Aug. 2000 17 65RDs have been made, only 2 66RDs, and no 67RDs.

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It's not mine, but I had the chance to see it today. There's a couple light scratches on the obverse plastic.

ziggy29

If those scratches are on the holder, I'd call this one 66 RD. What an absolute beauty.

airplanenut

MS65RD

lordmarcovan

I'll guess with ziggy. 66 RD?

razorface1027

65RD

jdimmick

Ill go with 66red also, super nice and fresh!

jim

coinbuf

Fantastic coin easy 66RD to me.

Chris

LincolnCentMan

That pic looks faimilar. Isnt that the one that was bought off ebay only to make it in a high grade holder that sold for like 5K??? I cant remember the grade... for 5K, I'd think it was 67RD.


Barring the above statment, it looks like a really pq 66RD to me.

David

RedBimmer

with me being mainly a lurker around here, let me say that for shylock to post that picture, it must be something else. I'll have to say it looks like a 67 all day long.

I've looked at coingallery.org long enough to see what a 67 red indian head cent looks like, and you're looking at it right up there

Rob

idocoins

Some marks in the left field.......I'll say 66red

tjkillian

A few too many hits for a MS-66, so I'll go with MS-65 RED. Nice coin.

Tom

Numismanic

MS66RD, beautiful coin!

idocoins

I'd like to have that one in my type set........ahhhhh if I had a type set

coinlieutenant

I dont know... looks pretty close to 67 RD to me...

Dont forget about luster... Its not just about the marks.

cohodk

Nice looking coin Paul. But I am going to go against the grain and say 64 red due to the hits in the obverse field.

I certainly wouldnt kick her out of bed though.

rainbowroosie

65 red

Lakesammman

Beautiful coin....on a bad day 65R, on a good day 66R.

mgoodm3

At least 66 RD. Very clean. Nice strike.

BigD5

66 rd

JRH

I'm strictly a novice, but I've never seen one better. MS-67 RD

nccoin

Personally, it does look 66 rd, but I would give about a 90% chance of ending up in a bodybag at PCGS.

nccoin

Assuming it is already in a holder, (maybe PCGS MS65 RD is my guess) don't crack and resubmit it. Red indians are rarely getting into holders these days.

shylock

TJKillian probably thought along the same lines as the PCGS graders, "a few too many hits for a MS-66." They allow flyspecs on 66RDs (and even some 67's), but are finicky about contact and this coin does have a couple tics on the left obverse. When I bought it I agreed, but now think it belongs with the 66's. Maybe that's more a statement about the coins for sale in 65RD holders these days than about its true grade.

coinlieutenant

oops...

I guess I liked it a bit much...

RedBimmer

I liked it a little too much as well

still a sweet indian!

Rob

goose3

just saw this thread.

Elcontador

If you're interested, you might want to send it in re in holder upgrade. I did the exact same thing with a 38 D Buff in a green label holder which was a technical 6 (due to a tick mark in the bison's midsection). However, the coin had "the look," and it upgraded.

Sometimes eye appeal will win out over technical grading. Then again, a lot depends on the series, and I don't know how they're grading IHCs these days. As a rule of thumb, the smaller the size of the coin, the tougher they are on contact marks.

shylock

Jeff - Well said about small coins getting less slack for contact marks. On a Morgan minor contact like this would be praised. I think that's why small cent collectors tend to see potential problems on these coins better than those who don't specialize in them, even on images. They're use to looking at small details.