I can attest to anyone that the toners I have posted look exactly as they appear on my monitor. They have been downloaded right to this post without any color manipulation at all.
I agree that pics posted on the US Coins board should not be coins for sale ... that's what the BST Board is for. Here's a Registry Set with some nice photos ... I like the 1878 8TF photo ...
Sunnywood, Very very nice. You have been a very busy collector, havn't you? Right up there in the eye appeal chart. Lets get busy and get the rest of those pictures up.
I'm happy to see your progress, but not with the thought of more competition in finding the tougher dates.
Thanks TD & Louis. Truth is, I didn't take any of those photos myself, I copied them from the dealers' and auction houses' websites when I bought the various coins. That's why the photo qualities vary ... someday I will have to get my act together and take my own photos of all of them !!! Some of the ones that aren't pictured are even better ...
I actually used Adobe Photoshop to tone DOWN some of the pics I copied, where it was obvious that the seller had enhanced the color saturation in the photos and made the coins look unrealistic and unnatural. If the 1882-S looks colorful, you should have seen the original pic from Superior !!! I tried to make the photo match more to what the coin really looks like by reducing the color saturation back down. Some of them I just couldn't get it right though ... like the 1904-O PCGS MS67. The dealer's photo was too saturated, but no matter what I do, I can't seem to make it look like the coin (which is nonetheless VERY pretty). Can't wait to take my own photos someday !!!!
TD, your set is much more complete than mine; and you have all your NGC coins too. I am only doing PCGS, because I just like the look of matched holders !!!! So hopefully we won't butt heads for a while, because I have a ways to go !!!!
By the way, all the rest of you have posted amazing stuff on here !!! Stman, that Capital Plastics holder (together with the coins in it of course) is the coolest thing I've seen in a long time !!!!! And I loved seeing some of the better date stuff that has been posted, like the CC's and 1890-P and 1892-P ...
Sunnywood, checked out some of the pics in your set. Very nice and I recognize some of them from auction and a couple websites. And thanks for the compliment on the Capital Plastics board of toners. I put that together for my 12 year old Granddaughter that loves toned Morgans. It was just something I wanted to give her that I put together myself. I've had a number of good words on it and PM's. I really didn't think it was a big deal but appreciate all the good words I've received.
Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!
Thanks stman. I should mention that some of the coins in that set did come from dealers who are board members and who also post here (you know who you are !!!) ... my thanks to them for great selections.
Judging by the number of responses to this thread I would say that the market for toned Morgans is alive and well. There are many major dealers (including some whose opinions I value greatly, such as Laura Sperber and Mark Feld) who do not get involved in toned Morgans for various reasons:
1) They contend that these coins are grossly and monstrously overpriced; 2) There is not enough supply of the right coins; 3) They are concerned about the potential for AT coins infiltrating the market.
These are all valid points, but the supply & demand of truly beautiful naturally toned Morgans does seem to justify some of the premiums paid (within reason of course). I think some dealers do get carried away with prices, but the coins are not that easy to replace. And there is a firm collector base for these coins.
Interestingly, some of the same dealers who avoid the toned Morgans do carry many beautifully toned type coins from other series in their inventories. These coins also carry premiums, although perhaps not as high as those found for toned Morgans. In addition, some of these dealers carry DMPL Morgans which sell at gigantic premiums to their non-prooflike cousins. We all love DMPL's, but some of us think beautiful color is just as nice. So why should DMPL's carry valuations with big premiums, but not toned coins?
I am always disappointed or even annoyed when I look through a Morgan dealer's inventory and find ONLY white coins. That doesn't happen in other series. Take a look through the coins at No. American Certified Trading, David Hall, and Legend (sorry Laura !!). All white. Some DMPL. No toners. Even Ellesmere, which specializes in Morgans, carries few to none with color. And Pinnacle, a dealer with many beautifully toned coins of other types in inventory, carries virtually no toned Morgans. In the case of Legend, Laura has voiced her legitimate concerns (such as the points raised above) as reasons not to carry these coins. I respect that - but I think in most of the other cases, it is just that dealers like to sell what they can readily buy, and white Morgans are obviously available in gigantic numbers.
I think that we need to get Capital Plastics to make us all a board like stman's. I'm not a morgan collector and I would like to put one of those together.
if you have taken the time and effort to check the coins above to see if they are for sale in my Ebay store just step back and think a minute. Don't you have anything else better to do?
The above was purely a exercise to see if I could get the same old response from certain people, it seemed to work. Why waste your time checking through what I am selling to see if the coins are for sale?
If I got you upset for doing this I apologize but please look at the big picture.
I agree that the big boy retailers should carry toners. They don't have to carry 20-30 of them but 5 nice ones would be good enough for the demand. One this is the big guys do not know how to buy them and feel comfortable with what they paid for them which I believe keeps them from jumping into the toner market.
BJ says "if you have taken the time and effort to check the coins above to see if they are for sale in my Ebay store just step back and think a minute. Don't you have anything else better to do?
The above was purely a exercise to see if I could get the same old response from certain people, it seemed to work. Why waste your time checking through what I am selling to see if the coins are for sale?"
So you're saying that you like to be antagonistic I guess. You are the one coming down in the BST about folks not going by the rules. Don't you have anything better to do than hawk you're wares in the coin forum? Hoping to catch a newbie? Then will come the semantics. Seems desperate to me.
You just can't out slick us and it makes ya kinda mad don't it?
Oh, BTW, I took the time (yes it's my time) and found where you like blasting other dealers for not going by the rules, yet your title says "Dealer." Want some respect? earn it. I'm trying to think of the right word, and Hypocrite, is the only one that comes to mind. The "Big Picture"
Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!
Jason, you seem to miss the bigger picture here. Most of us are collectors, and like to share our coins. But there are rules in place to prevent dealers from using this board to spam their auctions, and you know we have been over this before. Turns out your first coin is a coin you are selling now. That's not kosher on this board, and you know it. Why is it that you seem to be one of the few who refuse to accept this, and continue to spam this forum? You were told the last time that this was not acceptable by a moderator, but yet here you are again posting a picture thread with a coin you currently have for sale.
WTF is that supposed to mean? How about addressing the issue of you once again spamming this board with a picture thread of coins you currently have for sale?
Better than a high-end collector wanna-be poser who has obvious envy problems...read some Freud and find out the root of your problems are not your "small" coins...
To everyone that posted pics of their toned beauties...THANKS. You've now started me on a quest, again, for toned Morgan dollars. They're absolutely beautiful!
What is money, in reality, but dirty pieces of paper and metal upon which privilege is stamped?
<< <i>Keep on dreamin' Texas boy. You got stuff to sell post it on the BST board. Don't come here as a pretend collector. >>
Eric,
I think your a bit confused here........Doug lives in Arkansas. Its a state to the north east of Texas.
Would I be that other Texas dealer who post pictures of coins on the US coin forum that are also for sale?
Oh, the pain and agony of it all.
Maybe you and your collectors posse of three (3) need to start a web site and condemn us. Make sure to put plenty of actionable words and accusations on the site so you can DRAG some more innocent collectors and dealers into another lawsuit.
As to the POINT of the thread. Very nice coins folks! If they are for sale well then great, if not then enjoy them. Don't let a group of a few grumpy old men ruin a great thread.
As to the POINT of the thread. Very nice coins folks! If they are for sale well then great, if not then enjoy them. Don't let a group of a few grumpy old men ruin a great thread.
I don't know ya TBT, but I couldn't agree with you more.
What is money, in reality, but dirty pieces of paper and metal upon which privilege is stamped?
Real nice try TBT. I don't recall your name being mentioned.
In regards to lawsuits and "dragging innocent people in", I would suggest you know what you are talking about before you open your mouth and insert foot.
What part of coins you have for sale are not to be posted on this board don't some of you understand? It was laid out to you guys a couple months ago by a moderator. It seems there is a group of you who will just do it anyways.
<< <i>As to the POINT of the thread. Very nice coins folks! If they are for sale well then great, if not then enjoy them. Don't let a group of a few grumpy old men ruin a great thread. >>
Eric; I don't know you either. I'm compelled to believe that this is pure politics at work (ie; The human interaction in the allocation of values among a group)...In this case values, and I'm being a smart ass, are coins. Just kiddin' Eric..."Live and let live" I've been led to believe.
What is money, in reality, but dirty pieces of paper and metal upon which privilege is stamped?
<< <i>Eric; I don't know you either. I'm compelled to believe that this is pure politics at work (ie; The human interaction in the allocation of values among a group)...In this case values, and I'm being a smart ass, are coins. Just kiddin' Eric..."Live and let live" I've been led to believe. >>
The problem is if JB gets away with it here and now, the next thing you know this board will be loaded with sellers posting pictures of coins for sale. This is what the BST is for.
<< <i>The problem is if JB gets away with it here and now, the next thing you know this board will be loaded with sellers posting pictures of coins for sale >>
While you were gone from the boards for about a year I would occasionally post coins I had for sale in threads to show off the coin. I NEVER said they were for sale. This was over the last year and a half. I do not see "this board will be loaded with sellers posting pictures of coins for sale" dealers all over the place posting pictures of coins for sale and saying they are for sale on this board.
JB, we had this out just a few months ago. Sportsmoderator1 told you it was not kosher on this board. Most people, myself included, will not post a picture of a coin we are selling here. I thought you had understood that, and that is why I posted pictures to this thread this time around, I believed these were coins in your collection. Silly me, I should have known better.
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<< <i>here is another interesting one
I dunno..... Not too interesting at 1975.00 to me.
<< <i>Here's a couple of toners that I think are kinda cute... >>
Hey Mike, you have to many coins! Please, send some to me...they'll have a good home here with the dog's. Cool colors my friend!
<< <i>Nice coins Benny. Lablover also..... >>
Thanks Fairlaneman...you're to kind.
<< <i>I thought we weren't going to post coins that we were currently selling on this board. Did the rule change? >>
Well that would probably depend on who you are now wouldn't it?
Rainbow Stars
Somewhere Over the Rainbow Toned Morgans ...
Sunnywood's Rainbow-Toned Morgans (Retired)
Sunnywood's Barber Quarters (Retired)
I'm happy to see your progress, but not with the thought of more competition in finding the tougher dates.
Nice job TD
Rainbow Stars
I actually used Adobe Photoshop to tone DOWN some of the pics I copied, where it was obvious that the seller had enhanced the color saturation in the photos and made the coins look unrealistic and unnatural. If the 1882-S looks colorful, you should have seen the original pic from Superior !!! I tried to make the photo match more to what the coin really looks like by reducing the color saturation back down. Some of them I just couldn't get it right though ... like the 1904-O PCGS MS67. The dealer's photo was too saturated, but no matter what I do, I can't seem to make it look like the coin (which is nonetheless VERY pretty). Can't wait to take my own photos someday !!!!
TD, your set is much more complete than mine; and you have all your NGC coins too. I am only doing PCGS, because I just like the look of matched holders !!!! So hopefully we won't butt heads for a while, because I have a ways to go !!!!
Best,
Sunnywood
Sunnywood's Rainbow-Toned Morgans (Retired)
Sunnywood's Barber Quarters (Retired)
Thanks to all for sharing !!!
Best,
Sunnywood
Sunnywood's Rainbow-Toned Morgans (Retired)
Sunnywood's Barber Quarters (Retired)
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Awww, look! Tassa's blushing!
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Judging by the number of responses to this thread I would say that the market for toned Morgans is alive and well. There are many major dealers (including some whose opinions I value greatly, such as Laura Sperber and Mark Feld) who do not get involved in toned Morgans for various reasons:
1) They contend that these coins are grossly and monstrously overpriced;
2) There is not enough supply of the right coins;
3) They are concerned about the potential for AT coins infiltrating the market.
These are all valid points, but the supply & demand of truly beautiful naturally toned Morgans does seem to justify some of the premiums paid (within reason of course). I think some dealers do get carried away with prices, but the coins are not that easy to replace. And there is a firm collector base for these coins.
Interestingly, some of the same dealers who avoid the toned Morgans do carry many beautifully toned type coins from other series in their inventories. These coins also carry premiums, although perhaps not as high as those found for toned Morgans. In addition, some of these dealers carry DMPL Morgans which sell at gigantic premiums to their non-prooflike cousins. We all love DMPL's, but some of us think beautiful color is just as nice. So why should DMPL's carry valuations with big premiums, but not toned coins?
I am always disappointed or even annoyed when I look through a Morgan dealer's inventory and find ONLY white coins. That doesn't happen in other series. Take a look through the coins at No. American Certified Trading, David Hall, and Legend (sorry Laura !!). All white. Some DMPL. No toners. Even Ellesmere, which specializes in Morgans, carries few to none with color. And Pinnacle, a dealer with many beautifully toned coins of other types in inventory, carries virtually no toned Morgans. In the case of Legend, Laura has voiced her legitimate concerns (such as the points raised above) as reasons not to carry these coins. I respect that - but I think in most of the other cases, it is just that dealers like to sell what they can readily buy, and white Morgans are obviously available in gigantic numbers.
Any comments from all of you?
Best,
Sunnywood
Sunnywood's Rainbow-Toned Morgans (Retired)
Sunnywood's Barber Quarters (Retired)
The above was purely a exercise to see if I could get the same old response from certain people, it seemed to work. Why waste your time checking through what I am selling to see if the coins are for sale?
If I got you upset for doing this I apologize but please look at the big picture.
I agree that the big boy retailers should carry toners. They don't have to carry 20-30 of them but 5 nice ones would be good enough for the demand. One this is the big guys do not know how to buy them and feel comfortable with what they paid for them which I believe keeps them from jumping into the toner market.
The above was purely a exercise to see if I could get the same old response from certain people, it seemed to work. Why waste your time checking through what I am selling to see if the coins are for sale?"
So you're saying that you like to be antagonistic I guess. You are the one coming down in the BST about folks not going by the rules. Don't you have anything better to do than hawk you're wares in the coin forum? Hoping to catch a newbie? Then will come the semantics. Seems desperate to me.
You just can't out slick us and it makes ya kinda mad don't it?
Oh, BTW, I took the time (yes it's my time) and found where you like blasting other dealers for not going by the rules, yet your title says "Dealer." Want some respect? earn it. I'm trying to think of the right word, and Hypocrite, is the only one that comes to mind.
The "Big Picture"
Tom
Keep 'em coming JB!
Doug
<< <i>Another Texas spammer heard from. >>
Better than a high-end collector wanna-be poser who has obvious envy problems...read some Freud and find out the root of your problems are not your "small" coins...
Doug
I'm sooo glad that ugly beeyaachh is off the market!!!
<< <i>Keep on dreamin' Texas boy. You got stuff to sell post it on the BST board. Don't come here as a pretend collector. >>
Eric,
I think your a bit confused here........Doug lives in Arkansas. Its a state to the north east of Texas.
Would I be that other Texas dealer who post pictures of coins on the US coin forum that are also for sale?
Oh, the pain and agony of it all.
Maybe you and your collectors posse of three (3) need to start a web site and condemn us. Make sure to put plenty of actionable words and accusations on the site so you can DRAG some more innocent collectors and dealers into another lawsuit.
As to the POINT of the thread. Very nice coins folks! If they are for sale well then great, if not then enjoy them. Don't let a group of a few grumpy old men ruin a great thread.
TBT
I don't know ya TBT, but I couldn't agree with you more.
In regards to lawsuits and "dragging innocent people in", I would suggest you know what you are talking about before you open your mouth and insert foot.
What part of coins you have for sale are not to be posted on this board don't some of you understand? It was laid out to you guys a couple months ago by a moderator. It seems there is a group of you who will just do it anyways.
<< <i>As to the POINT of the thread. Very nice coins folks! If they are for sale well then great, if not then enjoy them. Don't let a group of a few grumpy old men ruin a great thread. >>
I don't know you either. I'm compelled to believe that this is pure politics at work (ie; The human interaction in the allocation of values among a group)...In this case values, and I'm being a smart ass, are coins.
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<< <i>Eric;
I don't know you either. I'm compelled to believe that this is pure politics at work (ie; The human interaction in the allocation of values among a group)...In this case values, and I'm being a smart ass, are coins.
The problem is if JB gets away with it here and now, the next thing you know this board will be loaded with sellers posting pictures of coins for sale. This is what the BST is for.
<< <i>The problem is if JB gets away with it here and now, the next thing you know this board will be loaded with sellers posting pictures of coins for sale >>
While you were gone from the boards for about a year I would occasionally post coins I had for sale in threads to show off the coin. I NEVER said they were for sale. This was over the last year and a half. I do not see "this board will be loaded with sellers posting pictures of coins for sale" dealers all over the place posting pictures of coins for sale and saying they are for sale on this board.
take a chill pill and relax.
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