Let me tell you a story about a stand up dealer (Kyle Knapp)

Bear · July 2, 2004 9:10AM

A little while ago, I bought a lovely looking bullet toned Ike PR Dollar from Kyle Knapp.

After the purchase, I sent the coin to PCGS and it came back as PR-66. I thought this

validated the toning and the matter was closed. A little while later, I receive an E-Mail

from Kyle showing me a picture from a known Coin doctors web site, that had an IKE PROOF

that looked exactly like the coin I had purchased. Kyle told me he was concerned that the coin

he sold me might be AT, even though it had been graded by PCGS. He not only refunded my money

but paid me for the cost of having the coin graded. This Is the kind of dealer that looks after the

interests of his clients. I hereby award Kyle, Bears coveted "Growl Of Approval Award" for outstanding

professionalism, integrity and decency. Well done Kyle, well done indeed.

greghansen · July 2, 2004 9:13AM

Wow, that is definately a step above and beyond the call of duty.

BigD5 · July 2, 2004 9:26AM

Bear, that's a nice story, and Kyle showed a lot with that gesture.

I would be curious if either one of you could share the pic's of either coin for all to see.

100proof1957 · July 2, 2004 9:27AM

does he have a website ?
sounds like a guy i want to do biz with !

Proof

Bear · July 2, 2004 9:29AM

kyle@showoffcoin.com

Russ · July 2, 2004 9:29AM

http://www.showoffcoin.com

Russ, NCNE

Stuart · July 2, 2004 9:37AM

Kyle: Well Done!!

Barry · July 2, 2004 9:40AM

Is Kyle 12 years old in that picture on his web site, or am I getting old?

Clankeye · July 2, 2004 9:40AM

That's a great story, Bear. I love hearing things like that.

Kyle you are to be congratulated.

Stuart · July 2, 2004 9:44AM

I had the pleasure of meeting Kyle at the April PCGS Invitational, and he really looks like that and I think is about 12 years old

FrattLaw · July 2, 2004 9:45AM

Wow, now that's customer service.

By the way - got a pic of the coin or a link to the "doctor's" website so we can see it for ourselves?

Michael

razorface1027 · July 2, 2004 9:46AM

A fine young man that Kyle. We've had some dealings in the past.

coinguy1 · July 2, 2004 9:48AM

It's nice to see a positive thread get some replies - great for both of you guys.

Tassa · July 2, 2004 9:49AM

Russ · July 2, 2004 9:53AM

If he's only 12, that boy had his growth spurt way early. I think he's about 6' 6" tall. He is young, though.

Russ, NCNE

JeffinMich · July 2, 2004 12:05PM

ER · July 2, 2004 12:39PM

Wow! What a fine young man.

I don't know anything about his parents, but I'll venture a guess that they must have raised him right.

Placid · July 2, 2004 12:46PM

Because a coin looks like one a coin doctor AT'ed does that make it AT?
Don't most good coin doctors try to make coins look like genuine toning?

I don't get it

tradedollarnut · July 2, 2004 12:50PM

Wow! The last time I saw the ol' AT double switch buyback work, the coin was later sold at a 100% markup!

Just kidding!

Placid · July 2, 2004 1:00PM

Thats what I was wondering TDN.
Bear didn't explain what happened initially very well.
Did Bear get the coin and think it was AT?
Did the seller think-know the coin was AT before selling it and then want it back after it got in a pcgs slab?
Did the seller only find the picture of a similar looking toned coin after finding out the coin was holdered at pcgs?
Will the coin reappear for sale in the pcgs holder as not AT?

Do black helicopters spy on me when I am asleep?

UncleWiggly · July 2, 2004 1:08PM

Wow, that's great. I do have a question though. The con that TDN was kidding about, has that been known to happen with coins?

Jerry

Bear · July 2, 2004 2:09PM

Placid, I think that I explained the situation rather well.

I am an articulate and perceptive kind of bear.

JrGMan2004 · July 2, 2004 2:11PM

Kyle sold the coin to Bear. Bear had the coin slabbed by PCGS, Kyle saw the same kind of toning on a known Coin Doctor's site. Kyle refunded Bear's money and grading fees for the coin... fairly simple... and yes Bear, you are quite articulate, I completely understood the first time I read it

uofa1285 · July 2, 2004 2:13PM

Kyle is SUPER to deal with, both buying and selling - AAA+++++++++

Doug

fountainheadgold · July 2, 2004 2:16PM

Here Here to Kyle Knapp

oreville · July 2, 2004 2:23PM

Nice story indeed but I do have one question.

What has happened to the coin since?

Bear · July 2, 2004 2:27PM

I sent the coin back to Kyle and he mailed me a check. I heard that Kyle origonally bought

the coin raw from an honorable collector/dealer from the Forum. I bought the coin raw from Kyle

and now he has it back. It appears thet some of the coin doctors are getting so good at this AT bussiness

even when you are experienced and careful, you can get fooled.

Placid · July 2, 2004 2:28PM

"I thought this validated the toning and the matter was closed."

That is the part I wasn't clear about Bear. What was the matter that was closed?

I don't really care anyway.

So any coin that looks like a picture of a coin that is known AT is automatically AT?
I guess most coins could be deemed AT by that logic.

Maybe the picture should be mailed to pcgs so they can use it as a reference.

Bear · July 2, 2004 2:32PM

When you see toning on a raw coin ,one always wonders is it real or memorex.

When PCGS graded the coin, I thought my doubts were put to bed. In any event

I was satisfied with the deal untill I got a heads up from Kyle. That man has won my trust

and confidence from now on, even though his reputation in the industry is already exemplary.

Placid · July 2, 2004 2:48PM

"I receive an E-Mail from Kyle showing me a picture from a known Coin doctors web site, that had an IKE PROOF."

Care to share the picture with the forum for educational purposes?

Bear · July 2, 2004 2:51PM

I am computor challanged, but If you are able to do that, it would be a great educational

tool for everyone.

UncleWiggly · July 2, 2004 3:03PM

Are you able to say who the coin doctor is?

Jerry

Bear · July 2, 2004 3:06PM

I dont know. Kyle didnt say and I didnt think to ask.

wallstreetman · July 2, 2004 3:20PM

I would have told Kyle thanks, but no thanks!

GOLDSAINT · July 2, 2004 10:48PM

You Know Bear it’s the Baby faced guys you have to watch the closest!
So let me see if I have this right.
The baby faced kid says hey buy this coin and send it in because I don’t want PCGS to tag me as an AT submitter.
So you do it, and since PCGS slabbed At’s are worth lots of money the Kid comes back and say hey man good job, but since I am sure this is AT I will give you back your purchase price plus the slabbing fee.
So please finish the rest of the story, where is the coin now? Do you think the kid has a pictures of it ripped out of the PCGS slab? Where is the web address of the Doctor?

Bear, please PM me if you get anymore PCGS AT coins you want to sell !

MadMonk · July 2, 2004 10:56PM

That's a great story!

Bear · July 2, 2004 11:34PM

Gold Saint, thou are a cynical soul. Have ye no faith in yon fellow man.

Be instead of good cheer and praise the sunlight rather then revile in the darkness.

SDCollector · July 3, 2004 12:33AM

<< <i>So you do it, and since PCGS slabbed At’s are worth lots of money the Kid comes back and say hey man good job, but since I am sure this is AT I will give you back your purchase price plus the slabbing fee. >>

Ouch! Creative thinking...I hope.

razorface1027 · July 3, 2004 1:00AM

Where do they find these people? Fellow does a good thing, and some skeptic throws his/her "2 cents" in. Kyle's a good fellow. Bear, he's a "Stand up dealer" like you said.

There's one in every crowd!

northcoin · July 3, 2004 1:03AM

Bear, I guess you should have cracked it out of the PCGS slab before returning it so it would not get put back into circulation??? Curious if Kyle in fact did that himself. If he did then "THe Rest of the Story" would indeed have a happy ending.

Rob790 · July 3, 2004 1:19AM

I just want to see this coin, give us a pic or a link so we'll all be educated!

Russ · July 3, 2004 1:22AM

<< <i>You Know Bear it’s the Baby faced guys you have to watch the closest!
So let me see if I have this right.
The baby faced kid says hey buy this coin and send it in because I don’t want PCGS to tag me as an AT submitter.
So you do it, and since PCGS slabbed At’s are worth lots of money the Kid comes back and say hey man good job, but since I am sure this is AT I will give you back your purchase price plus the slabbing fee. >>

Just saving that so it doesn't get edited out before Kyle has a chance to respond. Of course, there really isn't any need for him to do so since his reputation is unimpeachable and Goldsaint is talking out his ass.

Russ, NCNE

razorface1027 · July 3, 2004 1:26AM

Just saving that so it doesn't get edited out before Kyle has a chance to respond. Of course, there really isn't any need for him to do so since his reputation is unimpeachable and Goldsaint is talking out his ass.[/]

Couldn't agree with you more, Russ! Some people lack any A-1 reputation; therefore, they retaliate by berating someone else, for whom they probably don't even know. JMHO.

razorface1027 · July 3, 2004 1:36AM

I apologize regarding the italics.

Dog97 · July 4, 2004 2:19AM

I've never dealed with "a stand up dealer" they were all sitting on their arse when I dealed with them.
Kyle's a cool kid. He gave me a Sample Slab one time one time years ago before everybody started selling them.

Gonfunko · July 4, 2004 2:41AM

An AT Ike Dollar Proof? May I venture a guess? Maybe.....

this?

BTW, I don't own it, but AT or not, it is pretty!

Let me tell you a story about a stand up dealer (Kyle Knapp)

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