What a Crock

100proof1957

Coinmoovahs is at it again !
This is a travesty,not to mention a complete rip off !
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41088&item=3917102753&rd=1

Proof

Sequitur

Fraud Link.

Rockhound

PCI, no problem! HaHa!

100proof1957

brilliant proof all the way,5 bucks worth tops !

Pretend Cameos Inc.

Proof

Shamika

Deep Cameo my ass.

mikey723

Coinmoovahs is at it again !
This is a travesty,not to mention a complete rip off !
why is this a rip off?
started at $ 1.00
is because of the plastic?
or because he used the overgraded, opps overpriced pcgs sight

FatMan

HRH has been made aware of these scumbags using the CU price guide to scam the uninformed. He has not done anything about it. PCGS should post all over the CU guide that these prices reflect the value of properly graded PCGS coins and not other TPG's. Shame on the scumbags and shame on David for not making the simple to changes necessary to put an end this abuse.

ksteelheader

All this fuss over a nickel....

Gemini

e-bay should have a section titled "Raping and Pillaging"

mrearlygold

How is it that people like this aren't in jail??

Tom

tjkillian

Why should not the buyer shoulder some responsibility? After all, he/she is the one who earned the mone to buy it! The seller is only puffing up his wares, not actually doing anymore than describing the label on the holder. Do you not feel that the buyer is just being greedy by buying a coin without doing any homework?

Tom

mrearlygold

<< <i>Why should not the buyer shoulder some responsibility? After all, he/she is the one who earned the mone to buy it! The seller is only puffing up his wares, not actually doing anymore than describing the label on the holder. Do you not feel that the buyer is just being greedy by buying a coin without doing any homework?

Tom >>



The "buyer is greedy'? "Feel" that?

Whew. Ok, fraud must be ok then. Heck, why have any laws against it then.

100proof1957

I guess everybody is correct !
The buyer is just a moron for making a bid based on the PCGS price guide which even HRH has said is waaaay off today !
The buyer should also be able to see that coin is not a CAMEO,even if the pix is bad.
Guess you get what you pay for.
57 Jeff Cams are tough,let alone deep Cams !
I suppose i should have no pity for someone that hasnt done the homework.
I have coins that i overpaid for,but not @ 100 to 1 !

Proof

koynekwest

The dude should be called "Bowel movers."

mikey723

1957 JEFFERSON NICKEL PROOF-68 CERT BY NGC Item number: 3916011193
Bidding has ended for this item. (crazy_molly is the winner)


<< <i>I have coins that i overpaid for,but not @ 100 to 1 ! >>



Face it you buy plastic

Sequitur

Looks like supracoin has metastasized into "mikey." What's the matter Coinmovers, the truth about your crap eating into the profits of your sham operation?

pontiacinf

All this fuss over a nickel....

dems fighting words, wheres the beer?

XpipedreamR

Supratroll, supratroll...la la la...supratroll

spankyNYC

Hi Guys,

I really don¡¦t know where he gets these prices from but¡K the grade is the grade.

It¡¦s simply ridicules that he is lying about the value¡K that is a scam however; I¡¦m not sure if I agree with the hatred of PCI.

It¡¦s just a different company:

What I have seen¡K (actually, this is from Siranthonyac so, if you disagree, feel free to yell at him ƒº

¡§The PCGS is very strict and very tight with grading; typically three points lower than a PCI high graded coin.
The ANACS will slab a damaged, graffitied, corroded, & rim damaged coin and mark it so¡K the NGC will body bag that bad boy in a second¡K different companies, different standards.¡¨

But, the value being quoted is nuts.

I wonder what he would get for the coin if he only showed the PCI holder and the PCI¡¦s opinion of the cameo? Without the BS price claim.

Spanky

XpipedreamR

Come on...everybody do the Supratroll!

Bikingnut

It amazes me that there are 19 bids and the price is $501 when the picture clearly shows there is no cameo. Clearly a case of buying the holder and not the coin. I really have no sympathy for the bidders. They do have a 7 day return privelage.

100proof1957

Mikey723,
10 bucks for a much nicer coin than that POS,PCI PR68 DCAM at 500 bucks !
What the heck are you smoking ?

Proof

Sequitur

Proof, don't waste your time debating the troll(s). Coinmovers has multiple login names, and even has had a purported lawyer defend his/her auctions. If you'd like to see how badly that effort crashed and burned, click here.

Russ

<< <i>The seller is only puffing up his wares, not actually doing anymore than describing the label on the holder. >>



He does alot more than "puff" up his wares. He deliberately engages in deception by fabricating bogus values. That is fraud by any definition. He is exactly the type of con artist that law enforcement authorities could build a winning case against.

Russ, NCNE

Proof69Eagles

PCI should be accountable as well to some extent if they are slabbing these coins for this guy. But, I fully believe this guy is really tampering with the slabs. The slab with the 1958 PR68DCAM Quarter in it that I told you guys about looks tampered with, I will post some pics in a few minutes of this coin and the slab.

I know I was supposed to post these pics a while back, but I've been a little busy lately. Sorry!!

Proof69Eagles

Sorry, it double posted!!

UncleWiggly

I think I'm going to put a post up about why this happens. Jerry

Bikingnut

I sent the seller email with this question: Where's the deep cameo, better yet where's the cameo?

Russ

<< <i>Where's the deep cameo, better yet where's the cameo? >>



If he responds, you will likely get a 90% canned novel length eMail that may refer to this thread.

Russ, NCNE

Proof69Eagles

Ok Here are the pics!!

This is supposed to be a 1958 PR68 DCAM Quarter

Its not even Cameo, it might be a PR68


Notice all the glue looking substance around the edges of the slab, I took pics of all sides, three came out real good.

You can also see the crease marks where it looks like something was used to separate the slab carefully and it was resealed with some type of glue.

Bikingnut

Did you get that quarter from this seller?

RickMilauskas

<< <i>All this fuss over a nickel.... >>



"A nickel isn't worth a dime these days."
- Yogi Berra

Sequitur

Damn, anyone have a non-Coinmovers PCI slab that they can photograph the sides of the slab up close? Would like to see a comparison between 69Eagles's slab and a "regular" PCI slab.

I do have a Coinmovers specimen, but no other PCI in my collection.

BigE

Same shill bidder too--manawelaboy--------------------------BigE

Russ

Proof69Eagles,

Your slab looks perfectly normal for PCI. I have some I submitted directly to them myself, and they look just like that.

Russ, NCNE

Proof69Eagles

Bikingnut,

Yea, I bought that Quarter Slab from Coinmovers for $15 , I wanted to see exactly what he was selling to people. Just wish others who had them will come forward and all of us get together and try to put a stop to that stuff.

I truely believe, one of the two, either PCI or Coinmovers is breaking the rules here. I just can't see PCI slabbing that as a DCAM, you would think they honor their business a little better than that as to be so obvious with a coin.

I believe he was claiming that coin was worth $2500 on the auction. Needed a sample to post here on the boards.

Proof69Eagles

Russ,

You mean the ones you've got have that glue looking stuff all around the outside that looks gold/brown and creases all the way around it.

When the coin is slabbed, is a vacuum pulled on it and it is sealed in one spot on the bottom? This was my understanding of how it went?

Sequitur

Your slab looks perfectly normal for PCI.

That was my thought. The Crapmover PCI slab I have does not look like it has been tampered with. The coin is an overgraded piece of crap, of course, but the slab looks valid.

You mean the ones you've got have that glue looking stuff all around the outside that looks gold/brown and creases all the way around it.

My Crapmover slab looks like your Crapmover slab, and in both cases I think the slabs are intact (but I still would like to see a high-resolution comparison photo).

Russ

Proof69Eagles,

Yep, they are exactly like that. It's one of the reasons PCI slabs are very easy to crack out. They are sloppily sealed.

Russ, NCNE

Russ

Russ, NCNE

BigE

They make them easy to crack out because there is really only one reason for a coin to be in there to begin with. They should send out an unassembled slab with every purchase so that if you are honest you could downgrade the coin yourself------------BigE

Myqqy

;Supratroll, supratroll...la la la...supratroll

It looks like xpipedreamr has become the resident songwriter... keep writing them hits!!

Sequitur

O.K. Proof69, below are pics of a Crapmovers PR "68" cameo 1964 Kennedy,
along with a closeup of the side of the slab.
Looks like yours and Russ's slabs.

Proof69Eagles

Well, from what Russ and Sequitur have posted, it seems that PCI is at fault here. I am going to write them a little email and see what kind of response I get and attach the pictures to the email. I can't wait to hear what they say.

There is no way the Quarter I have is anywhere close to Cameo much less Deep Cam

I'll post the results........

Russ

BTW, the one I posted is a tonecoin2003 blatantly AT'd Frankie that I sent to PCI to see what they'd do. Of course, they had no problem grading it as a problem free MS64FBL.

Russ, NCNE