Poor is poor. 1799 is 1799. Someone is going to own a really lousy looking but authentic 1799 cent. I have no problem with ANACS slabbing this. I agree with the assigned grade.
I have to admit that I am very surprised that ANACS slabbed that. All of the diagnostic areas used for variety atribution are gone. S how would you authenticate something like this. The only possibility would seem to be a photographic overlay, and I'm not sure if the position of the last two digits of the date of the 99 are unique. (Frankly to me it looks like a 98.)
They also won't slab severly altered coins (but PCI will!). I know, I've recently tried. Remember those shrunken coins? ANACS wouldn't holder them (even though they're authentic). SEGS wouldn't either, so ANACS shouldn't feel too bad.
The 1799 large cent is the rarest date in the entire cent series. The coin has always been hard to find as early American collector, Joseph Mickley, found out 175 years ago when he went looking for a cent from his birth year. The S-189 is noted for having a weak date which makes the coin hard to spot and certify. There have been many altered coins offered of this date through the years.
So YES. IF there is a very low grade cent that should be certified, this is it
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I agree with Bill Jones. Any genuine 1799 should be slabbed if that's what the owner wants. That is a really hard coin to find. The Services slab pocket change junk. Why not a truly rare coin?
<< <i>It's pretty sad when your grade and net grade are the same. >>
Really? If you have a MS-67 that's problem free your grade and net grade are the same too. Is that pretty sad? >>
Oh, don't be cheeky with me. You know what I mean. They can't downgrade that baby any farther than it already is, unless you can produce a "0" grade. I would doubt that your problem-free MS-67 has a net grade mentioned on the slab now does it?
<< <i>You guys are joking, right? I see a black circle....period. >>
On the page I was taken to, there are little buttons to click in order to lighten the image. When I clicked the lightest one, I could see the coin just fine. Howver, the coin looked better as just a black circle.
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Safe to say that if the coin were a 1962 Lincoln cent in this condition it would not have bee slabbed, but I think that a legit 1799 cent should be slabbed even if it looks like this one.
Anyone want to predict the selling price? I'll guess $150 to someone who would rather have this than either an empty spot in the holder or a Franklin Mint copy.
For reasons of authenticity I can understand it being slabbed, I'm just not sure how it could be authenticated.
And I would not be surprised if Colonialcoinunion's estimate on the selling price turns out to be low. I know collectors who would be willing to buy that coin.
I guess it's a good thing that it's slabbed because if I had to depend on Heritage's pictures I'd never know that it was heavily corroded. Hell if it wasn't slabbed I wouldn't even know that it was a coin.
Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
The coin has got two "9"s visible. One can authenticate a 1799 cent without a readable date. Since this one has a readable date, I think you might be surprised at the final selling price.
With rare dates bring such high prices today, I could see this going up to close to a grand if two people who really want to fill the hole in their date set get started on it. A decent example of this coin can easily run you a second mortage on your house. NO BULL!!
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<< <i>It's pretty sad when your grade and net grade are the same. >>
Really? If you have a MS-67 that's problem free your grade and net grade are the same too. Is that pretty sad?
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<< <i>Or if it is counterfeit. >>
They also won't slab severly altered coins (but PCI will!). I know, I've recently tried. Remember those shrunken coins? ANACS wouldn't holder them (even though they're authentic). SEGS wouldn't either, so ANACS shouldn't feel too bad.
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So YES. IF there is a very low grade cent that should be certified, this is it
Any genuine 1799 should be slabbed if that's what the owner wants.
That is a really hard coin to find.
The Services slab pocket change junk. Why not a truly rare coin?
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<< <i>It's pretty sad when your grade and net grade are the same. >>
Really? If you have a MS-67 that's problem free your grade and net grade are the same too. Is that pretty sad? >>
Oh, don't be cheeky with me. You know what I mean. They can't downgrade that baby any farther than it already is, unless you can produce a "0" grade. I would doubt that your problem-free MS-67 has a net grade mentioned on the slab now does it?
<< <i>You guys are joking, right? I see a black circle....period. >>
On the page I was taken to, there are little buttons to click in order to lighten the image. When I clicked the lightest one, I could see the coin just fine. Howver, the coin looked better as just a black circle.
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Anyone want to predict the selling price? I'll guess $150 to someone who would rather have this than either an empty spot in the holder or a Franklin Mint copy.
<< <i>It is VERY hard to get a bodybag from ANACS. >>
And yet, I've managed it.
(For unseen PVC on a Dutch 10G that would have otherwise probably gone MS67).
PS- I totally love Jeremy's "Six-Problem" Bust dime. That's a true classic- I laugh every time I see it!
And I would not be surprised if Colonialcoinunion's estimate on the selling price turns out to be low. I know collectors who would be willing to buy that coin.
With rare dates bring such high prices today, I could see this going up to close to a grand if two people who really want to fill the hole in their date set get started on it. A decent example of this coin can easily run you a second mortage on your house. NO BULL!!