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And who says every PCGS coin crosses to NGC????

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Hmmmm... NGC refused to cross this lovely coin from a PCGS slab. (PR64RB)

Any guesses why? AT, questionable toning, not enough red ect?

So for those that think PCGS is the superior grading service and ultra tight, you should buy every nice PCGS coin you can find and cross it to NGC and get a point bump and sell the coin for a huge profit. It'd be easy to be a dealer, right?

BTW -- I didn't buy this for resale -- it's going into a registry Type Set.

Michael

Comments

  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Ngc is biased.
  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Michael,

    If only true arbitrage were that easy!

    EVP

    How does one get a hater to stop hating?

    I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com

  • AT ?
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  • FrattLawFrattLaw Posts: 3,290 ✭✭
    AT ?

    Nope. But most TPGs that see copper with color get a little skittish.

    I have a feeling that this coin is probably a BN designation not a RB, but I'm no Lincoln expert.

    It appears that PCGS is a little more lenient in regards to some designations -- FBLs being another.

    Michael
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mike,

    I don't know about proofs, but purple on business strike copper is usually best avoided.
    "Vou invadir o Nordeste,
    "Seu cabra da peste,
    "Sou Mangueira......."
  • FrattLawFrattLaw Posts: 3,290 ✭✭
    The color isn't as vibrant on the coin as it is in the pic. The coin looks a bit darker and the color is less purple and more a subtle blue color. Don't know if that makes a difference, but I'm pretty sure it isn't AT. Feld looked at it and it didn't set off any alarms. There was a bunch of bidders so I'm leaning towards the fact that coin isn't red enough for a RB designation rather than AT.

    I could be wrong, but I want to see if NGC lists the reason for the DNC. Questionable color might still be it though.

    My thought is that the coin should be PR65BN and therefore NGC didn't want to cross it at the same grade/designation. From my understanding toning on copper rarely gets a RD design. and sometimes not even a RB one. Again, I don't know jack about copper so I could be talking out my A**.

    Michael

  • merz2merz2 Posts: 2,474
    That is an awesome coin but you are right it would never get RB.Even PCGS would grade it BN now.
    Don
    Registry 1909-1958 Proof Lincolns
  • TUMUSSTUMUSS Posts: 2,207
    I had a problem getting a toned 1913 Lincoln in NGC plastic....Same was said AT. No way though! ???
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To answer the question I don't think anyone ever said that ALL PCGS coins will cross to NGC.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • You make me laugh...You send coins in to what you consider are superior grading services then cry when you're told your coin IS AT! Lolololol.image
  • razorface1027razorface1027 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭
    Mike;

    That 1911 is absolutely STUNNING. I just had to say it.image
    What is money, in reality, but dirty pieces of paper and metal upon which privilege is stamped?
  • razorface1027razorface1027 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭
    You make me laugh...You send coins in to what you consider are superior grading services then cry when you're told your coin IS AT! Lolololol.

    Who told him it's AT?image
    What is money, in reality, but dirty pieces of paper and metal upon which privilege is stamped?
  • nOoBiEeEnOoBiEeE Posts: 1,011 ✭✭


    << <i>You make me laugh...You send coins in to what you consider are superior grading services then cry when you're told your coin IS AT! Lolololol.image >>



    Who are you?image
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Michael, from what I remember, the coin was more "BN" in person and NGC probably disagreed with the "RB" designation. Can you show a more-true-to-life image?

    Edited to add: It's "Mr. Feld" to you!image
  • FrattLawFrattLaw Posts: 3,290 ✭✭


    << <i>You make me laugh...You send coins in to what you consider are superior grading services then cry when you're told your coin IS AT! Lolololol >>



    Who's crying? And I didn't say NGC is superior to PCGS. And I don't think the coin is AT. I sent it over because I prefer NGC over PCGS and I'm doing a 1911 proof set within the Type Set and the other coins are in NGC slabs and I wanted the set be uniform -- that's all.

    Many here think PCGS is superior to NGC. If that was the case that NGC should readily cross any PCGS coin because, obviously, the coin HAS to better. My point is that NEITHER is superior to the other. And that each company will misgrade and mis-designate coins.

    As Merz2 indicated, a relative expert in Lincolns, this coin is not a RB designation. PCGS missed the boat on this coin. If I had requested "cross at any grade" the coin would probably be a NGC PF65BN.



    << <i>Can you show a more-true-to-life image? >>



    Not yet, but I will once it gets back from NGC. -- Mr. Feld!

    Michael
  • OldnewbieOldnewbie Posts: 1,425 ✭✭
    Is it possible that the coin got darker after being slabbed?

    Eric
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mike, I'm okay with some cobalt blue or an otherwise bluish tinge on mint state copper. I'm not up to speed re color designations on Lincoln, though. I'd take Mark Feld's word on the coin; there aren't many people out there who know copper as well as he does.

    "Vou invadir o Nordeste,
    "Seu cabra da peste,
    "Sou Mangueira......."
  • prooflikeprooflike Posts: 3,879 ✭✭
    I hear NGC has to reject a certain percentage of PCGS crossovers, you just got lucky... image

    BTW, nice coin!

    image

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