NGC's SLQ's Cross Over Grades Back..... :(

MFH

Well, after figuring out what to do with my eight free submissions, which expire on August 8th, I have decided to send in these eight coins for "Cross At Any Grade" :

1) 1917-S Type 2 Quarter NGC : MS 65 FH....PCGS : MS 64 FH--- Down one point
2) 1918 Quarter NGC : MS 65 FH....PCGS : MS 65--- Lost its head !
3) 1920 Quarter NGC : MS 66.........PCGS : MS 65--- Down one point
4) 1920-S Quarter NGC : MS 65.........PCGS : MS 64--- Down one point
5) 1924-S Quarter NGC : MS 64 FH....PCGS : MS 64 FH
6) 1925 Quarter NGC : MS 65 FH....PCGS : MS 64 FH--- Down one point
7) 1928-D Quarter NGC : MS 64 FH....PCGS : DNC --- Asked that it cross at any grade ! ( ??? )
8) 1929 Quarter NGC : MS 65 FH....PCGS : MS 64--- Lost its head ! Lost one point as well !

All these coins have wonderful eye appeal, are for the most part white and a few do have light golden toning .

These coins get mailed out tomorrow. I'll be more than curious how this'll turn out.

Once these coins come back, before and after images will be posted.

This is the first time I have ever crossed anything with PCGS and I'm more than a bit nervous.

To say that I'm disappointed would be an understatement.

relayer

Good luck. Hopefully they'll come back +- 1 pt (though some may beheaded)

100proof1957

i wanna try a cross for my proof set.
i will wait untill you get yours back !

Proof

MFH

Say it ain't so ! These heads are very strong, and I pray none are beheaded ! As a matter of fact, one of the non FH coins, the 1920 NGC 66 is a full head and hopefully will get that upgrade !

The MS #'s should stay pretty much the same. I don't see any upgrades coming.

MFH

Coins were received and recorded by PCGS on 6/29/04. No updates yet.

airplanenut

<< <i>Coins were received and recorded by PCGS on 6/29/04. No updates yet. >>

You better not have updates! I'm waiting on my freebies from 6/19!

jdimmick

Good luck on them Mike!!

jim

jcping

Besh wishes.

I sent in four for my free-grading on June 4 (recorded on June 9) and grades came back on July 12. They are

ANACS 1916 FR-2 ----- DNC
NGC 1919 MS65 ------- came back MS65FH (sharp full head)
ANACS 1929D MS62 ---- came back MS62FH (full head)
HallMark 1926S MS60 -- DNC

MFH

jcping,

Glad to hear of the FH designations, sorry the others didn't cross.

Thanks, Jim for the well wishes.

Airplanenut, I was only wishing I'd get them back with in 30 days from submission, as they were my 8 freebies !

MFH

The NGC graded coins' grades came back. See the first post, which I edited.

For the life of me I don't understand PCGS's reasoning for not crossing the 1928-D NGC 64FH, considering I asked that all the coins be crossed at any grade.

No ship date has been announced as of yet.

Once the coins are returned to me, I plan of resubmitting the entire set for regrade and Pedigree designation.

Any suggestions how I should handle the situation with the 1928-D NGC 64FH ???

Baley

Once the coins are returned to me, I plan of resubmitting the entire set for regrade and Pedigree designation.

Sounds like PCGS is earning their money!

sorry about the beheadings

Baley

For the life of me I don't understand PCGS's reasoning for not crossing the 1928-D NGC 64FH, considering I asked that all the coins be crossed at any grade.

they must've thought it would bag if cracked out. look closely at the surfaces for a little patch of hairlines (wiped) or maybe a rim problem.

Elcontador

Call Carol, have the invoice # ready and explain what you wrote here. They might ask you to resubmit the coin & holder it (though at a lower grade).

Cratylus

Mike, I'm genuinely sorry to hear about the beating you took on these. I guess it just goes to show that since your name isn't David Hall or Jim Halperin or David Bowers or Jay Parrino that you're gonna get raked over the coals if you submit coins in another TPG slab.

And after this fiasco, you're gonna give PCGS more money to regrade and pedigree them???

tmot99

Ouch. That hurts. I have never sent a coin in for crossover. I have broken them out and submitted and usually have been upgraded.

I got burned once by cracking out a PCGS AU53 1932-D Washington quarter that I resubmitted. It was in an old holder so I was hoping that it could upgrade to a 55. It looked like it had a chance. It ended up graded an XF45. I cracked it again and put it into a circulated Washie set.

MFH

The down grades cost me a paper loss of thousands. I'm at a loss for words (not really, but I'd like to stay on these boards) as the full heads that were decapitated were strong and the grades were as NGC had graded them.

I'm not a newbie on this series. I have collected six sets in my lifetime and each set taught me more and more as to how to grade this beautiful coin. 40 years experience has given me a keen eye to determine what grade the coin should be. Heck I sold off PCGS coins with FH on their labels that couldn't hold a candle to the NGC coins that I submitted for a cross over.

Enough said.

The entire set will be sent in for a regrade once I get these eight coins back, and while they're there, I'll request Pedigree designation as well.

To be continued later, and hopefully with better results.

Thanks for the sympathy everyone.

airplanenut

I'd send them cracked, not as a regrade. It seems that they can't go any further down, so this way it doesn't make PCGS decide not to change the grade--if it's totally raw, they look at it as fairly as possible...

Cratylus

Like I told you before, Mike, I have no doubt these coins are choice for their original assigned grades. You are an expert of this series, but you're finding out that you have to "play the game" to get the correct grade with these guys.

Just another example to add to my list of why I don't like slabbing companies.

I hope your 1916 upgrades so you recoup some of these losses.

GAT

Sorry to hear about your large financial lost but that's the risk you take playing the crack out game. I have many PCGS blue insert coins that I feel that are undergraded. In fact, the blue insert slabs are were you are most likely to cherry pick bargins. I have ANACS and NCG graded Carson City Morgans that I would never crack out. Think your best option is to try and get them back into NGC slabs.

MFH

Jeremy, I couldn't bear to crack these coins out, and after what I've just gone thru to get them into PCGS holders, they're not going back to NGC either.

Maybe when the entire set is laid out in front of them, the graders will see the coins' true substance when they are all compared together as a whole.

Its a good thing I love this series the way I do, otherwise I'd do as some have suggested and crack them out and send the set in raw or back to NGC for holdering, then sell the set off, and hang up my hat once and for all on SLQ's.