Let's clean up the boards!

Wayne8348 · June 2, 2004 4:39AM

Everyone is tired of all of the negative posts on these boards. I don't see any end to it - in fact if anything it has gotten worst this past year. There are many people who rarely post here anymore because of all of the garbage.

Well if we want to clean up these boards, then the moderator should ban anonymous posters. That would stop probably 80% of the junk posts and personal attacks.

It's time psa! Make everyone register to post here. I wonder how many different posters would never by heard from again??? PLUS

We will find out who Koby is...

Wayne

acowa · June 2, 2004 4:42AM

Wayne,

Isn't it obvious who Koby is? Just ask Mike, Greg, or Jim. It's Eric Pugh...no it's Mike Bow...no it's Dan Markel...no it's ....

Regards,

Alan

murcerfan · June 2, 2004 4:46AM

all we need is more threads complaining about all the complaining

acowa · June 2, 2004 4:47AM

murcerfan=koby

murcerfan · June 2, 2004 5:00AM

mudslinger

acowa · June 2, 2004 5:10AM

I meant it as a compliment

Regards,

Alan

jimtb · June 2, 2004 5:13AM

I just choose not to participate in the negative posts. If everyone did the same, they would quickly slide off the front page, never to be heard from again.
Jim

Vargha · June 2, 2004 5:20AM

I can take a hint, but I'm still staying.

ctsoxfan · June 2, 2004 5:22AM

I thought you did have to register - what am I missing?

Also, some of the threads lately have exposed some bad business practices, and haven't been happy and joyful to read. But, I am still glad to read them.

GoSoxBoSox · June 2, 2004 5:29AM

Since we want negative or slanderous post out I guess that rules out the return of Davalillo. And that's not a shot at Jim, I loved his posts because I don't believe he made those issues up.

Factual posts that happen to shed a negative light on something or someone are still okay in my book. It's the BS that needs to go and that's obviously the intent of Wayne's thread. I echo his message.

In fact, Koby and Toppsgun are two of the main people who drove me from this board a while back. Unfortunately I found more people just like them trolling around when I returned 6 weeks later. It's sad.

theBobs · June 2, 2004 5:30AM

I agree with Wayne. A credit card number should be required to obtain a message board ID. The CC could be used to verify the identity of the poster. The option to hide the real name of an ID should go away. These three simple steps would largely stop the ever popular game of assigning real people to message board handles.

scottsusor · June 2, 2004 5:31AM

<< I just choose not to participate in the negative posts. If everyone did the same, they would quickly slide off the front page, never to be heard from again.
Jim >>

Jim -- The major problem isn't the negative posts themselves. Its when an otherwise excellent thread gets hijacked by one of these anonymous hit-and-run overgrown juvenile delinquents expressing what they call their right to free speech. Well, just like your right to swing your fist ends at the point where my nose begins, many (including me) have chosen to just say no -- not to the morons -- but to the entire concept of posting on this board, period. And who can blame them?

Clean up of this board must START with only allowing PSA members to post AND not allow anonymous posting. If that's a problem for the hit-and-run juveniles who want to continue posting anonymously, I'm sure that PSA can create a parallel board for them and call it "The Sand Box."

Scott

GoSoxBoSox · June 2, 2004 5:32AM

We need a message board committee. I think it should consists of David Vargha alone. What do you say El Presidente?

edited to say: I like Scott's idea

jimtb · June 2, 2004 5:43AM

Hi Scott,
Of course, you're right. Last week's post your picture post that eventually got Toppsgun banned is a perfect example. good point.
Jim

acowa · June 2, 2004 5:47AM

<<Since we want negative or slanderous post out I guess that rules out the return of Davalillo.>>

Tom,

You can find him and his "negative and slanderous posts" on the SGC board. It's not like he's great a keeping secrets when there's an opportunity to trash Joe Orlando or PSA. If you enjoy it and miss it, then send him an email and you can get a ton of negative stuff on PSA. Here's a link to email him Link to email Davalillo

If you feel that this stuff is indeed factual and noteworthy, post away.

murcerfan · June 2, 2004 6:06AM

while you're at it, make all the lurkers sign in and come out from the shadow world too.

you want a boring forum.....you'll have it.

GlennGaryGlennRoss · June 2, 2004 6:14AM

Actually, I have a confession to make....

There was no ToppsGunn, no FatCat, no MissGoodAdvice or GeorgePatton. In fact, there is no Dan Markel or Acowa or Uniship or even Kobe (or Koby) it was just me all this time. It was all a study on the Middle Aged man and his insecurities. I did this research for the Univeristy of Ohio.

goodriddance189 · June 2, 2004 6:16AM

University of Ohio?

joestalin has multiple personality disorder?

scottsusor · June 2, 2004 6:20AM

<< while you're at it, make all the lurkers sign in and come out from the shadow world too.

you want a boring forum.....you'll have it. >>

Odd that you want to make lurkers an issue ... they don't say ANYTHING, positive, negative, or otherwise.

Its also odd that you believe a board without the hit-and-run juveniles posting offensive insults would be "boring." Perhaps "The Sand Box" forum would be less "boring" and right up your alley. Right up koby's alley too.

I for one, couldn't be happier that toppsgun has been banned. Hopefully that's just the beginning.

And as for Jim (Davalillo), its pretty well accepted that he and Joe have a love/hate relationship. Joe ended his ban a while back. And personally, I'd take 10 Davalillo's over 1 toppsgun any day.

Scott

scottsusor · June 2, 2004 6:25AM

<< Actually, I have a confession to make....

There was no ToppsGunn, no FatCat, no MissGoodAdvice or GeorgePatton. In fact, there is no Dan Markel or Acowa or Uniship or even Kobe (or Koby) it was just me all this time. It was all a study on the Middle Aged man and his insecurities. I did this research for the Univeristy of Ohio. >>

Uh-huh, and I'm married to Morgan Fairchild.

Mr. Bow (alias toppsgun), with all due respect, please leave and take your studies, excuses, and all of your alias ID's with you.

Scott

GlennGaryGlennRoss · June 2, 2004 6:41AM

Alright you busted me, Scott! You have all the answers you know everything, hey you wouldn't happen to also post as toothpick2 on the SGC boards too? 'Cause he done know everything too........

purelyPSA · June 2, 2004 6:43AM

A few things...

It is indeed the thread hijackers that need to be policed IMO. Even the most innocuous threads can turn into bomb throwing contests.

I liked Davalillo. I wish he'd come back. At least his brawls were about things occuring in the world of card grading.

Why make lurkers sign in? What we should be doing is trying to create a place where they'll feel comfortable participating rather than lurking.

My 2 cents

Steve

theBobs · June 2, 2004 6:46AM

"while you're at it, make all the lurkers sign in and come out from the shadow world too" = sarcasm

purelyPSA · June 2, 2004 6:50AM

I must have inadvertantly skipped Murcerfan's post - I read that in Scott's response. Whoops.

BugOnTheRug · June 2, 2004 6:51AM

It's time for a 'PSA Boards Registration Application'

fees+personal info+credit card info will get rid of most (but not quite all) of the bowlsheet. Whoever's left will be dinged via CC automatically and can be 'sniped' off the boards.

Carol, send me an application now! I'm ready to sign up!

BOTR

Reid · June 2, 2004 6:57AM

The message boards were much more interesting when the following people posted here:

1420sports · June 2, 2004 7:01AM

who were they?

qualitycards · June 2, 2004 7:05AM

1420 - FATCAT & MISSGOODADVICE...jay

theBobs · June 2, 2004 7:07AM

Those guys were around like 2 years ago. Reid, why did it take you so long to register a screen name? It appears you have been reading the boards for quiet awhile.

Reid · June 2, 2004 7:31AM

<< Those guys were around like 2 years ago. Reid, why did it take you so long to register a screen name? It appears you have been reading the boards for quiet awhile. >>

theBobs,

I am rather embarrassed to admit this, but I did not know how to register. I'm somewhat computer illiterate.

Reid Colello

GoSoxBoSox · June 2, 2004 8:02AM

<< Joe ended his ban a while back.

Scott >>

Is that really true? and does Jim know that? Because he asked me to post something on the boards a week ago for him and told me he'd have it to me soon. If what you say is true it seems he doesn't know he's allowed here. Did Joe tell you this?

acowa,

Please. Save the sarcasm for somebody that doesn't know better. Jim is entertaining and believes in his cause. Some may not agree but until the blow-up he was trying to do the right thing (at least in his mind). Granted the method he chose was not popular.

I don't post over there because it's a dead issue. But Jim is and always will be a friend who I'll back.

scottsusor · June 2, 2004 8:03AM

<< Alright you busted me, Scott! You have all the answers you know everything, hey you wouldn't happen to also post as toothpick2 on the SGC boards too? 'Cause he done know everything too........ >>

I don't know everything, just what I need to know. I've never been on the SGC boards. I don't have a need to childishly create half a dozen (or more) alias ID's. And you're concerned about the insecurties of OTHERS?

Carol ... More work for you to do.

Concerning Jim (Davalillo) ...

"Is that really true? and does Jim know that? Because he asked me to post something on the boards a week ago for him and told me he'd have it to me soon. If what you say is true it seems he doesn't know he's allowed here. Did Joe tell you this?"

Jim told me this. He can post -- he just chooses not to.

Scott

GoSoxBoSox · June 2, 2004 8:08AM

<< Jim told me this. He can post -- he just chooses not to.

Scott >>

You mean.......I'm be used? I take back everything I said in that last post. It's ever man for himself !!!

DirtyHarry · June 2, 2004 8:17AM

I have not been here long and my knowledge level on "cards" is way below that of other board members - especially on modern and anything ex-baseball/basketball. But that is why I joined and participate - to learn, and you are allowed to have a little fun along the way. There are too many "rules" that have to be adhered to in other areas of our lives, and I don't think adding new rules or requirements here will necessarily make this a better place to visit.

There are some jerks here, but I have learned that you can run them off if you want to. This is a democratic board in that respect. But it requires participation to meet that end. So...participate and don't complain that you do not participate because something is happening that you don't like that you could have an impact on if you had indeed participated.

Skip threads that are of no interest. If threads get "hijacked", I think it is only because the group in many instances is trying to tell somebody something about the value of the validity of the topic or thread. If you feel strongly enough about it, start a new thread on the topic.

I don't think adding regulations and asking for big brother to moderate the information flow here any more than they currently do is of any benefit. Regards.

murcerfan · June 2, 2004 8:20AM

So...participate and don't complain that you do not participate because something is happening that you don't like that you could have an impact on if you had indeed participated.

bingo.

ctsoxfan · June 2, 2004 8:27AM

Yes exactly. Well said. Also, enough already about certain people who don't post here any more being annointed to some type of sainthood. We are all just card collectors sharing opinions and knowledge. The board will be just fine with or without many of us.

scottsusor · June 2, 2004 9:01AM

<< The board will be just fine with or without many of us. >>

Of course it will. I don't think anybody would say otherwise. Its "just fine" without any posts from me, as has been the case for the past few weeks. Its "just fine" without posts from any "sainthood" people, as has also been the case recently. I guess the question we have to ask is -- Is "just fine" good enough? To me, "just fine" equates to "mediocre." If we want "excellence" we have to be willing to strive for it. And so does PSA.

Scott

murcerfan · June 2, 2004 9:18AM

why just excellent ??

........ why not absolutely fabulous?

1420sports · June 2, 2004 9:52AM

The boards do not need improvement as far as I am concerned. I do not care that there are lurkers, or that there most likely is a buffoon out there with several ID's that posts on the SGC board, the Beckett, the Network54, and every other board known to mankind - something I find utterly ridiculous and dorkish. I do not mind the negativity, as sometimes it brings out the positive things that I like about this hobby. I do not mind that some people get banned for blatantly pushing the envelope.

These are message boards and I enjoy reading other peoples messages, whether it is about cards or real life issues.

uniship · June 2, 2004 10:24AM

All I know is that my idea of customer service does not include kicking their rear end all over a parking lot while rolling around on the ground.

acowa · June 2, 2004 10:42AM

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<< Granted the method he chose was not popular. >>

Bullying is usually not very popular. When it comes to getting his way, this is what he usually resorts to...and that's fact.

BTW - You guys may not like Mike Bow's methods either...but he was every bit as useful (if not more) to the boards as Davalillo. He has his beliefs and was crucified on the boards for stating them. Jim has equally strong convictions on some things which led to his dismissal. In my opinion, Mike shared much more useful information on sportscards in the time that he was here. The political stuff I could take or leave.

I can state without a shadow of a doubt that Mike Bow has been far more helpful to me (than Jim) in completing mutually beneficial trades over the years that I have known him.

Regards,

Alan

uniship · June 2, 2004 10:52AM

Mike Bow - aka ToppsGun - added a helluva lot to these boards. But the fact is, he's a homophobe, and that is a shame. He is a hardcore right wing extremist - and I love the Republican party - but hey, who of us is perfect? I thought that guy was an asset to these boards when it came to baseball cards - and that is why we are here right? I miss him, and I look forward to meeting him in Cleveland - let's just hope we don't get our asses kicked - literally - by the dealers.

DirtyHarry · June 2, 2004 11:00AM

There is a fine line between humor and taste. When in doubt, leave it out (again). TG's card insight will be missed, but there is no need to cross the line on issues that you do not need to.

OhioTaz · June 2, 2004 11:20AM

TG was top-rate in my book when it comes to cards. He has every right to his opinions regarding what is moral and what is not. Personally, I would rather he had kept them to himself but he chose otherwise. Nevertheless, in my opinion he crossed the line with personal attacks.

I cannot think of anyone on this board that has been more educational than he was when it comes to cards and his financial insight was interesting.

Greg

WinPitcher · June 2, 2004 11:24AM

nevermind

DirtyHarry · June 2, 2004 11:30AM

WinPitcher - you have something to say. Go ahead. I respect whatever you post. You are now keeping an idiot in suspense.

Vargha · June 2, 2004 12:45PM

But the fact is, he's a homophobe, and that is a shame. He is a hardcore right wing extremist

That seems like a very reasoned post. Thank goodness for calm voices.

Basilone · June 2, 2004 1:08PM

murcerfan · June 2, 2004 1:19PM

dude · June 2, 2004 1:25PM

<<But the fact is, he's a homophobe, and that is a shame. He is a hardcore right wing extremist

That seems like a very reasoned post. Thank goodness for calm voices. >>

LOL Vargha!!

Vargha · June 2, 2004 1:36PM

I am rather embarrassed to admit this, but I did not know how to register. I'm somewhat computer illiterate.

Yet posting just fine on the Internet, including linking icon gifs with no trouble . . . will wonders never cease?! Uhhh . . . okay "Reid".

Let's clean up the boards!

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