You are the ignorant one. Its not like Timex and Rolex at all. They make watches, correct? Does PCGS or NGC make coins? NO, they only grade them. So how can you say your coin is better because of the plastic around it. Its like saying your Porche is better than someone elses because you use differant wax.
If you were buying a Michael Jordan rookie card would you prefer it be rated by Beckett or by CSA. Which do you think would cost more.
First you tell me to find them, then you want ones for sale! Not everything is for sale all the time, and just because one is for sale that doesnt mean its the only one. And yes for the right price I bet they are for sale.
First you tell me to find them, then you want ones for sale! Not everything is for sale all the time, and just because one is for sale that doesnt mean its the only one. And yes for the right price I bet they are for sale.
------------------------- I will drop my price to 10k. Will that be the right price for you or is it still too steep for your blood. First I will cross it with ANACS. I am sure that will increase the value of the coin.
If I do that I wonder what you in turn would sell it for. You would be laughing all the way to the bank. $22k I will sell it to you and you will still make money.
I dropped the price again just for you. However I doubt very much that you would even consider paying that kind of money for a coin of this quality. You obviously just like to talk sh**
<< I doubt very much that you would even consider paying >>
Do you see anyone else here stepping up? Hundreds of collectors many widely known and you havent sold it in what 8 listings, its not just me.
It is a unique coin and I don't expect many people on this board to either have a need for the coin or have the money necessary to pay for it, especially people like you who only want to chirp about how knowledgeable they are. Insecure aren't you.
You have set a forum record for most posts used to sell a single coin (73 and counting) and most times bumping your own auction to the top of the page in a single day. Congratulations!
Price in Sept 2002 is irrelevant? I don't think so. Numismatists constantly review data from the recent past (or distant past) to estimate values of coins in the present. Why, because they aren't always available in the present with a current sale price.
How much has the Proof Barber market gone up since Sept 2002? Probably not all that much! It is very easy to go back and estimate what the % increase has been. I'll leave that as an exercise. I know that proof seated halves and dollars have not moved very much in that time. They certainly have not doubled.
Price in Sept 2002 is irrelevant? I don't think so. Numismatists constantly review data from the recent past (or distant past) to estimate values of coins in the present. Why, because they aren't always available in the present with a current sale price.
How much has the Proof Barber market gone up since Sept 2002? Probably not all that much! It is very easy to go back and estimate what the % increase has been. I'll leave that as an exercise. I know that proof seated halves and dollars have not moved very much in that time. They certainly have not doubled.
Sorry EVP for giving this thread additional life.
roadrunner
How much has gold Indian $2.5 gone up in value. I ought to know because I sold a ton of PCGS MS-64 for 30%-40% more than I paid for them despite owning them for only 2-3 months.
In a message dated 5/3/2004 12:11:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Leo@heritagegalleries.com writes: Mr. Dratler, Thank you for the email and picture of the coin. It is fabulous! As to value, who really knows? We sold the NGC Pr 68 last year for $25,000. I would think the PCGS coin would be worth more. I do know we'd love to include it in our ANA sale in Pittsburgh! Please let me know if you have any additional questions. Thank you,
<< <i>In a message dated 5/3/2004 12:11:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Leo@heritagegalleries.com writes: Mr. Dratler, Thank you for the email and picture of the coin. It is fabulous! As to value, who really knows? We sold the NGC Pr 68 last year for $25,000. I would think the PCGS coin would be worth more. I do know we'd love to include it in our ANA sale in Pittsburgh! Please let me know if you have any additional questions. Thank you,
Leo Frese >>
I would much rather see it there than see it here. I don't think Heritage will pull the auction if it is not meeting expectations. Heritage does not spam here. All would be better using that outlet.
Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
<< In a message dated 5/3/2004 12:11:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Leo@heritagegalleries.com writes: Mr. Dratler, Thank you for the email and picture of the coin. It is fabulous! As to value, who really knows? We sold the NGC Pr 68 last year for $25,000. I would think the PCGS coin would be worth more. I do know we'd love to include it in our ANA sale in Pittsburgh! Please let me know if you have any additional questions. Thank you,
Leo Frese >>
Thank you for the response. Kindly send me a private message concerning how I arrange to get the coin to you and discuss the fees involved. I would like nothing better than to stick it to these know it alls on this message board. regards simon dratler
$2-1/2 Indians have indeed gone up a lot in a short period do to rampant promotion by some dealers. So what does that have in common with Proof Barber halves that have NOT been the subject of rampant hoarding by select dealers and have NOT escalated in price a similar amount? Are you saying because the Indians have gone up 20-30% in a few months that the Barber half is next in line?
2-1/2 Indians have indeed gone up a lot in a short period do to rampant promotion by some dealers. So what does that have in common with Proof Barber halves that have NOT been the subject of rampant hoarding by select dealers and have NOT escalated in price a similar amount? Are you saying because the Indians have gone up 20-30% in a few months that the Barber half is next in line?
roadrunner
Not only is that my firm belief, but experts such as Leo Frese feel the same way, otherwise he wouldn't feel that my coin would fetch upwards of 25K. If all goes well I will cancel the auction and consign the coin to Heritage and you can pay the extra premium from them. I guess that it is better to spend 25K instead of 22k. What does 3k mean to all you big spenders.
Common Barber and Morgan proofs are no interest to me. Even PF68's are not rare per se. If I had $25K ready to go (and I do) I'd prefer to spend it on a gem bust quarter, a unique finest known seated liberty rarity, a no drapery half in choice unc, a superb gem O mint seated quater or something very underrated. Proof Barbers just don't excite me. They were saved in quantity. I do have a wonderfully toned NGC Proof 68 Seated half which is quite a bit tougher than a PCGS PF68 Barber half....yet sells for much less money. PCGS had graded but one PF68 seated half. For my $25K, I'd go looking for a seated proof first....much tougher...and less saved.
Common Barber and Morgan proofs are no interest to me. Even PF68's are not rare per se. If I had $25K ready to go (and I do) I'd prefer to spend it on a gem bust quarter, a unique finest known seated liberty rarity, a no drapery half in choice unc, a superb gem O mint seated quater or something very underrated. Proof Barbers just don't excite me. They were saved in quantity. I do have a wonderfully toned NGC Proof 68 Seated half which is quite a bit tougher than a PCGS PF68 Barber half....yet sells for much less money. PCGS had graded but one PF68 seated half. For my $25K, I'd go looking for a seated proof first....much tougher...and less saved.
roadrunner
I appreciate your opinion but it is just that your opinion. That is not necessarily how the rest of the coin collectors and dealers feel.
Cleon: As a matter of etiquitte, please use the italic feature when you quote somebody. Just put an i inside these [ ] to start and a /i inside these [ ] to end. That way the viewer doesn't have to continually read an echo over and over again.
Good luck selling the coin. Heritage does indeed have far greater exposure to the right buyers than ebay. However, be prepared to pay a 12-15% seller's fee if it sells and a 3-5% buyback fee if it doesn't meet reserve.
(Good luck selling the coin. Heritage does indeed have far greater exposure to the right buyers than ebay. However, be prepared to pay a 12-15% seller's fee if it sells and a 3-5% buyback fee if it doesn't meet reserve.)
Thank you. Actually am hoping to sell the coin on ebay and avoid the exhorbitant fees that Heritage charges whether the coin sells or doesn't sell.
Cleon: As a matter of etiquitte, please use the italic feature when you quote somebody. Just put an i inside these [ ] to start and a /i inside these [ ] to end. That way the viewer doesn't have to continually read an echo over and over again.
I may be slow to learn, but I can do it. Thanks TDN. Is there a list of forum tips somewhere that you can get this from?
Cleon, the opinions I stated on the pops of the various proof type coins is FACT. Dealers and collectors alike know this or know it now. What the coin is worth is another story. But the numbers are facts.
{Cleon, the opinions I stated on the pops of the various proof type coins is FACT. Dealers and collectors alike know this or know it now. What the coin is worth is another story. But the numbers are facts.}
roadrunner
Any coin is worth what the market is willing to pay for it. I paid $20,250.00 for the coin and someone else might be willing to pay $25,000.00. Who really knows. Past price history has very little to do with the value of coins. I sold a Vince Carter Stadium card for $2500.00 two years ago which was graded PSA10 the same card can be purchased now for $200.00. I sold a beanie babie 2 years ago for $2500.00 now it is worth $300.00. I bought a coin for $800.00 this past January and sold it in March for $1450.00. It is all a gamble.
Manofcoins, Heritage also charges a 15% buyer's fee, which, in effect, comes out of the seller's pocket, as buyers adjust/reduce their bids accordingly.
For example, if I were willing to pay $23,000 for the coin in question (which I am not), I would bid only $20,000 hammer, because of the 15% buyer's fee and the seller would receive proceeds based on a $20,000 hammer bid, even though the coin would show a "price realized" of $23,00.
{Manofcoins, Heritage also charges a 15% buyer's fee, which, in effect, comes out of the seller's pocket, as buyers adjust/reduce their bids accordingly.
For example, if I were willing to pay $23,000 for the coin in question (which I am not), I would bid only $20,000 hammer, because of the 15% buyer's fee and the seller would receive proceeds based on a $20,000 hammer bid, even though the coin would show a "price realized" of $23,00.}
Thank you for the informative info, however that is not what the gentlemen at Heritage advised me. He told me that he would work with me due to the extensive value of the coin. What that exactly means in dollars and cents I am not really sure.
Heritage might be willing to negotiate commission on a big ticket item like this. They might do it for no sellers fee and even rebate some of the buyers fee. That could reduce the total to about 10%. I did this once in a Bowers and Merena auction. All you can do is ask.
CLEON, with a remark like that to RUSS, YOU ARE A REAL JERK!!!!!!!!!!And should never grace these BOARDS AGAIN, WHAT an aweful thing to say, you amateur and idiot!!!!!
"<< My condolences to your family. >>
I have no family. They're all dead.
Russ, NCNE
I hate to say this, but they are probably better off."
PCGS sets under The Thomas Collections. Modern Commemoratives @ NGC under "One Coin at a Time". USMC Active 1966 thru 1970" The real War.
CLEON, with a remark like that to RUSS, YOU ARE A REAL JERK!!!!!!!!!!And should never grace these BOARDS AGAIN, WHAT an aweful thing to say, you amateur and idiot!!!!!
"<< My condolences to your family. >>
I have no family. They're all dead.
Russ, NCNE
I hate to say this, but they are probably better off."
I am far from an idiot nor a jerk. Russ appears to me to have a very negative reaction towards everything in life. I am no physiciatrist but evidently their seams to be some major personal issues with him. JMHO
Last chance before Heritage gets this coin for the Maryland show. First offer of $21,500.00 gets the coin. I will pay for all the shipping costs and I will offer a 48 hour money back guarantee if for any reason you are not completely satisfied with the coin. simon
I'd be very surprised if Heritage offers you anything above "hammer" for the coin which will net you 87% of the total price. Net to you is $20,000. A $23K coin to Heritage is not that big a deal. Lots of risk here as to what the coin can bring. PF68's are very tricky. One sale they might be hot the next they can be cool. Unless you have connections or are a consistent consignor you may need to send them $100-200K or more to net a few % above hammer. You could indeed net "only" $18K or even $16K out of that coin if consigned. What should happen doesn't always occur.
<< <i> would much rather sell it to you. Just think of the profit you
How do you figure? You seem to be having a hard time unloading it.
Anyway, I am a collector. Got any rare gold? >>
I did but I recently sold all my $2.50 gold Indians graded PCGS-64 to a collector who in turn auctioned his entire collection including the 1911-D to Heritage. I made a ton of money on those coins. I am sure that my buyer made even more.
First offer of $21,500.00 gets the coin. posted 6/7/04
I am obviously not as smart as you, but by my calculation $21,750 is MORE than $21,500, beanie baby man. And, BTW, I buy my coins with cash, not credit.
First offer of $21,500.00 gets the coin. posted 6/7/04
I am obviously not as smart as you, but by my calculation $21,750 is MORE than $21,500, beanie baby man. And, BTW, I buy my coins with cash, not credit.
Good catch dude. I will once again drop to $21,495.00. Certified check, Money Order or Personal check will be satisfactory.
Comments
If you were buying a Michael Jordan rookie card would you prefer it be rated by Beckett or by CSA. Which do you think would cost more.
That is one fine set, however do you think that any one of those
coins are for sale. Find me one that is for sale and then we can talk.
-------------------------
I will drop my price to 10k. Will that be the right price for you
or is it still too steep for your blood. First I will cross it with ANACS.
I am sure that will increase the value of the coin.
If I do that I wonder what you in turn would sell it for.
You would be laughing all the way to the bank.
$22k I will sell it to you and you will still make money.
That coin is not for sale either. Try again.
I dropped the price again just for you.
However I doubt very much that you would even consider paying
that kind of money for a coin of this quality. You obviously
just like to talk sh**
<< I doubt very much that you would even consider paying >>
Do you see anyone else here stepping up? Hundreds of collectors many widely known and you havent sold it in what 8 listings, its not just me.
It is a unique coin and I don't expect many people on this board
to either have a need for the coin or have the money necessary
to pay for it, especially people like you who only want to chirp
about how knowledgeable they are. Insecure aren't you.
You have set a forum record for most posts used to sell a single coin (73 and counting) and most times bumping your own auction to the top of the page in a single day. Congratulations!
How much has the Proof Barber market gone up since Sept 2002?
Probably not all that much! It is very easy to go back and estimate what the % increase has been. I'll leave that as an exercise. I know that proof seated halves and dollars have not moved very much in that time. They certainly have not doubled.
Sorry EVP for giving this thread additional life.
roadrunner
How much has the Proof Barber market gone up since Sept 2002?
Probably not all that much! It is very easy to go back and estimate what the % increase has been. I'll leave that as an exercise. I know that proof seated halves and dollars have not moved very much in that time. They certainly have not doubled.
Sorry EVP for giving this thread additional life.
roadrunner
How much has gold Indian $2.5 gone up in value. I ought to know
because I sold a ton of PCGS MS-64 for 30%-40% more than I paid
for them despite owning them for only 2-3 months.
Mr. Dratler,
Thank you for the email and picture of the coin. It is fabulous! As to value, who really knows? We sold the NGC Pr 68 last year for $25,000. I would think the PCGS coin would be worth more. I do know we'd love to include it in our ANA sale in Pittsburgh! Please let me know if you have any additional questions.
Thank you,
Leo Frese
<< <i>In a message dated 5/3/2004 12:11:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Leo@heritagegalleries.com writes:
Mr. Dratler,
Thank you for the email and picture of the coin. It is fabulous! As to value, who really knows? We sold the NGC Pr 68 last year for $25,000. I would think the PCGS coin would be worth more. I do know we'd love to include it in our ANA sale in Pittsburgh! Please let me know if you have any additional questions.
Thank you,
Leo Frese >>
I would much rather see it there than see it here. I don't think Heritage will pull the auction if it is not meeting expectations. Heritage does not spam here. All would be better using that outlet.
Mr. Dratler,
Thank you for the email and picture of the coin. It is fabulous! As to value, who really knows? We sold the NGC Pr 68 last year for $25,000. I would think the PCGS coin would be worth more. I do know we'd love to include it in our ANA sale in Pittsburgh! Please let me know if you have any additional questions.
Thank you,
Leo Frese >>
Thank you for the response. Kindly send me a private message concerning how I arrange to get the coin to you and discuss the fees involved. I would like nothing better than to stick it to these
know it alls on this message board.
regards
simon dratler
roadrunner
roadrunner
Not only is that my firm belief, but experts such as Leo Frese feel
the same way, otherwise he wouldn't feel that my coin would fetch upwards of 25K. If all goes well I will cancel the auction and consign the coin to Heritage and you can pay the extra premium from them.
I guess that it is better to spend 25K instead of 22k. What does 3k
mean to all you big spenders.
roadrunner
roadrunner
I appreciate your opinion but it is just that your opinion.
That is not necessarily how the rest of the coin collectors
and dealers feel.
I see that you have not stopped posting on this thread.
Something here must be of interest to you.
Good luck selling the coin. Heritage does indeed have far greater exposure to the right buyers than ebay. However, be prepared to pay a 12-15% seller's fee if it sells and a 3-5% buyback fee if it doesn't meet reserve.
Thank you. Actually am hoping to sell the coin on ebay and avoid the exhorbitant fees that Heritage charges whether the coin sells or
doesn't sell.
roadrunner
here goes.
roadrunner
Cleon, the opinions I stated on the pops of the various proof type coins is FACT. Dealers and collectors alike know this or know it now.
What the coin is worth is another story. But the numbers are facts.
roadrunner
What the coin is worth is another story. But the numbers are facts.}
roadrunner
Any coin is worth what the market is willing to pay for it.
I paid $20,250.00 for the coin and someone else might be
willing to pay $25,000.00. Who really knows. Past price history
has very little to do with the value of coins. I sold a Vince Carter Stadium card for $2500.00 two years ago which was graded PSA10
the same card can be purchased now for $200.00.
I sold a beanie babie 2 years ago for $2500.00 now it is worth
$300.00. I bought a coin for $800.00 this past January and sold
it in March for $1450.00. It is all a gamble.
For example, if I were willing to pay $23,000 for the coin in question (which I am not), I would bid only $20,000 hammer, because of the 15% buyer's fee and the seller would receive proceeds based on a $20,000 hammer bid, even though the coin would show a "price realized" of $23,00.
For example, if I were willing to pay $23,000 for the coin in question (which I am not), I would bid only $20,000 hammer, because of the 15% buyer's fee and the seller would receive proceeds based on a $20,000 hammer bid, even though the coin would show a "price realized" of $23,00.}
Thank you for the informative info, however that is not what
the gentlemen at Heritage advised me. He told me that he would
work with me due to the extensive value of the coin. What that
exactly means in dollars and cents I am not really sure.
Greg
"<< My condolences to your family. >>
I have no family. They're all dead.
Russ, NCNE
I hate to say this, but they are probably better off."
"<< My condolences to your family. >>
I have no family. They're all dead.
Russ, NCNE
I hate to say this, but they are probably better off."
I am far from an idiot nor a jerk. Russ appears to me to have
a very negative reaction towards everything in life. I am no
physiciatrist but evidently their seams to be some major personal
issues with him. JMHO
<< <i>I wish this thread were banished to the bottom of the board. I know... I just brought it back to the top. >>
Hell I just wish the participants would learn to use the QUOTE button instead of REPLY. It would make following this fiasco much simpler.
{I wish this thread were banished to the bottom of the board. I know... I just brought it back to the top. }
I guess deep down inside you just wanted to hear yourself
speak.
First offer of $21,500.00 gets the coin. I will pay for all the
shipping costs and I will offer a 48 hour money back guarantee if for any reason you are not completely satisfied with the coin.
simon
It is quite a bargain at that reduced price. IMHO
I would much rather sell it to you. Just think of the profit you
could make on this coin. Heritage has enough money.
Good luck on the coin.
roadrunner
How do you figure? You seem to be having a hard time unloading it.
Anyway, I am a collector. Got any rare gold?
<< <i> would much rather sell it to you. Just think of the profit you
How do you figure? You seem to be having a hard time unloading it.
Anyway, I am a collector. Got any rare gold? >>
I did but I recently sold all my $2.50 gold Indians graded
PCGS-64 to a collector who in turn auctioned his entire collection
including the 1911-D to Heritage. I made a ton of money on those coins. I am sure that my buyer made even more.
I just dropped the price. Check your lines of credit. LOL
Here's a thread where a forum member is looking for a coin like yours.
Isn't that nice of me to help you out?
Russ, NCNE
I am obviously not as smart as you, but by my calculation $21,750 is MORE than $21,500, beanie baby man. And, BTW, I buy my coins with cash, not credit.
First offer of $21,500.00 gets the coin. posted 6/7/04
I am obviously not as smart as you, but by my calculation $21,750 is MORE than $21,500, beanie baby man. And, BTW, I buy my coins with cash, not credit.
Good catch dude. I will once again drop to $21,495.00.
Certified check, Money Order or Personal check will be satisfactory.
<< <i>Cleon,
Here's a thread where a forum member is looking for a coin like yours.
Isn't that nice of me to help you out?
Russ, NCNE >>
Good one DUDE!!!
You are a funny fellow.
Please pass on my regards to your relatives LOL