I think it phoney

theboz11 · May 14, 2004 9:05PM

NO marks toning or even a fingerprint, and he seems to sell to a lot of LIARS.
gothic crown

cosmicdebris · May 14, 2004 9:10PM

Scam artist

wybrit · May 14, 2004 10:30PM

There are a lot of copies of the coin now being sold. Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people will try to pass them off as the real thing by using lousy pictures to obscure the differences.

Stork · May 14, 2004 10:44PM

Here's his feedback . The top negative is for another gothic crown. Must be nice having a couple perfect gothic crowns lying around!!!

cosmicdebris · May 14, 2004 11:06PM

I sent the him an email

<<Shame on you for trying to pass a copy off as an original. I see it is not the first time you have done it either.>>

wybrit · May 14, 2004 11:09PM

cosmic,

theboz11 · May 14, 2004 11:21PM

I see that his top bidder has "0" feedback, hope he gets it and it is a phoney account out to foil this guy.

cosmicdebris · May 15, 2004 1:28AM

Seller's reply:

<<The coin is not a copy, so shame on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>

So I sent him this:

<<If true then shame on me. Do you have higher resolution and larger images you can email me?>>

theboz11 · May 15, 2004 1:55AM

This guy is a real piece of work,,,, the mark at the top of the coin looks like the copies that are up on ebay, but rounded I think. If he sends a real picture I'll be surprised

cacheman · May 15, 2004 1:56AM

what a POS

cosmicdebris · May 15, 2004 2:05AM

Emails continue

Him:
<<Sorry but thoses are the best pictures of the coin i have, they where taken using a friends scanner.>>

Me:

<<That's too bad because if this coin is the real deal it should bring around £7500 according to Spinks. It looks like you'll be lucky to get £50 for it. I would end the end auction and get better pictures if I were you.>>

PCBUM · May 15, 2004 2:09AM

Looks fake......

SYRACUSIAN · May 15, 2004 3:32AM

More feedback:

"CHEQUE STOPPED, FAKE COIN see 3905169216 bought as copy sold as genuine. Buyer roywirral( 204) Apr-26-04 01:02 3908165527
Reply by almul: DESCRIPTION SAYS THE COIN WAS A COPY DUH ROY, AS FOR 3905169216 IT IS NOT A COPY Apr-26-04 01:58"

Facts: Coin is indeed item 3905169216 which was a copy. He added that the coin is a copy in his description, after the auction ended.

More:
- " CON artist beware, thief, sends horrible coin.Ebays worst ,BEWARE. Buyer lilpiggy0929( 16) Apr-15-04 09:17 3904142180
Reply by almul: SUCH A LIAR, PLEASE LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF POSTIVE FEEBACK I HAVE RECEIVED.

- I don't think item sent was item in the picture, wouldn't buy from him again Buyer sallypolly_sally( 24) Mar-19-04 09:27 2215319938
Reply by almul: Auction ended in Jan why complain now? Complaint is lies"

The buyer was probably right. The same coin, a 1921 florin was sold a few weeks earlier to someone else:

(positive feedback):" Received promptly, good service. The piece is too worn to be collectible : ( Buyer alexacy( 170) Feb-24-04 23:59 2222171267
Reply by almul: PIC'S OF THE COIN WHERE SHOWN, IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE THEM WHY DID YOU BID????"

As a buyer he's no better:

NON PAYING BIDDER, RUDE EMAILS. SELLERS BEWARE Seller jayjay1uk( 2641) Jan-27-04 00:03 3165126359
Reply by almul: Payment offered and refused, ignorant, low intelligence, lots of neg feedback Jan-27-04 02:33
Follow-up by jayjay1uk: HOGWASH. AS YOU SEE VERY RUDE NON PAYER WHO CANNOT READ POSITIVES : )

Bid with confidence .

wybrit · May 15, 2004 5:28AM

Facts: Coin is indeed item 3905169216 which was a copy. He added that the coin is a copy in his description, after the auction ended.

The addition in the listing was made April 16 while the auction was still in progress (that finished April 25).

That doesn't change the general principle of what is going on here, though.

cosmicdebris · May 16, 2004 7:48AM

Geez $494.78 with 13 hours to go. Someone is not going to be very happy.

wybrit · May 16, 2004 7:54AM

Those "0" feedback bidders fall into one of three categories:

(1) suckers
(2) shills
(3) alt-ID saboteurs

Any guesses as to which category?

wybrit · May 16, 2004 8:05AM

By the way, check out this auction for a copy of the gothic crown, sold by a legitimate seller who I have traded with and this auction using the exact same picture for one advertised as genuine.

Aethelred · May 16, 2004 8:07AM

Look at THIS AUCTION and note the BUYER and the item.

Now look at THIS AUCTION and note the SELLER and the item!

wybrit · May 16, 2004 8:09AM

I saw that before. It is unbelievable to me that ebay can't or won't shut this guy down now!!

Maybe they can nail him on stolen images.

Aethelred · May 16, 2004 8:15AM

FAKE GUINEA!

FAKE HALF GUINEA!

FAKE CROWN!

I have sent an e-mail to the seller about each item!

cacheman · May 16, 2004 9:26AM

I sent an email saying that "Ebay has been notified about your fraudulent auctions"....let's see what his response will be.

wybrit · May 16, 2004 10:37AM

The bidding is getting interesting. Another "0" feedback ID has entered the fray.

Aethelred · May 16, 2004 11:11AM

I just got this e-mail back from him:

"This Coin is not a fake, how dare you come and tell me it is, shame on you. In future mind your own business."

wybrit · May 16, 2004 11:15AM

Gotta laugh so I don't get mad!

Aethelred · May 16, 2004 11:20AM

My reply:

"I know what real British gold coins of that period look like and your offering is not one of them. How dare you sell FAKE coins!"

cacheman · May 16, 2004 11:50AM

This is the response I got back from him...he has me shaking in my boots about the legal services...

What on earth do you mean, the only copy i am selling is the 1777 Guinea, and it says it is a copy made from pewter in the description. Please stop harassing me of i will be forced to in form the legal services.

Aethelred · May 16, 2004 12:04PM

I am sure he has a team of lawyers working around the clock to shut us down!

wybrit · May 16, 2004 1:08PM

Please stop harassing me of i will be forced to in form the legal services.

Has anyone informed ebay of this guy's activities yet?

Aethelred · May 16, 2004 1:26PM

<< <i>

Has anyone informed ebay of this guy's activities yet? >>

I could not find the way to do it on eBay.

cacheman · May 16, 2004 1:56PM

they won't do squat anyway and I'm tired of receiving automated email replies asking how they are doing....sucky if you ask me...

MadMuffin · May 16, 2004 9:59PM

This guy is really something! A thread like this is another good reason to check out this forum regularly.

Marcel

Stork · May 17, 2004 10:16AM

<< <i>The seller ended this listing early to sell to the high bidder(s) at current bid price >>

What a jerk...wait, let me re-phrase... In My Opinion..."what a jerk".

wybrit · May 17, 2004 10:52AM

He ended the auction early to sell it to a "serious bidder." Look at the cancellations - looks like he's been lurking over here and read this thread!! I pity Gary-1951, he's in for a shock.

cacheman · May 17, 2004 12:29PM

I hope he is lurking here...read our lips!! We will hunt you until you are NARU'd!!!!

Askari · May 17, 2004 2:06PM

eBay tries to limit accusations of fraud to winning bidders ... after the fact.

cosmicdebris · May 17, 2004 7:20PM

Ending early to sell to the high bidder.

Will there still be feedback?

cacheman · May 18, 2004 9:44AM

Look what I just got from Ebay!!!!! So the bad guy is backed up by ebay it appears...what a crock!

Dear har_poon

We appreciate your membership here at eBay. As such, we would like to take this opportunity to discuss with you a complaint we received involving an unwanted email you sent to another member via the eBay Email Forwarding System.

The purpose of the Email Forwarding System is to provide open communication between a seller and a buyer regarding an eBay transaction. Below is a copy of the email you sent through the Email Forwarding System:

Ebay has been notified about this fraudulent auction...and the others
you are running too.
To view the item, go to:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3911918287
Thank you,
har_poon-------------------

Although eBay maintains a neutral position regarding this complaint, we wanted to let you know a complaint has been received. Currently this will not affect your account. Any complaint to eBay regarding the use of the Email Forwarding System outside of its intended purpose can be reported to eBay.

More information regarding eBay's Email Forwarding System guidelines can be found at:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-unwelcome-email-misuse.html

Thank you in advance for your cooperation in this important matter.

Regards,

Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department)
eBay Inc

wybrit · May 18, 2004 9:55AM

Aethelred · May 18, 2004 12:06PM

Like Scott, I got the following e-mail from eBay:

Dear aethelred.ii (mmbt1@bellsouth.net),

We appreciate your membership here at eBay. As such, we would like to take this
opportunity to discuss with you a complaint we received involving an unwanted
email you sent to another member via the eBay Email Forwarding System.

The purpose of the Email Forwarding System is to provide open communication
between a seller and a buyer regarding an eBay transaction. Below is a copy of
the email you sent through the Email Forwarding System:

This coin is also fake! Do you sell any real coins?

Although eBay maintains a neutral position regarding this complaint, we wanted
to let you know a complaint has been received. Currently this will not affect
your account. Any complaint to eBay regarding the use of the Email Forwarding
System outside of its intended purpose can be reported to eBay.

More information regarding eBay's Email Forwarding System guidelines can be
found at:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-unwelcome-email-misuse.html

Thank you in advance for your cooperation in this important matter.

Regards,

Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department)
eBay Inc

Now I am pissed!

Aethelred · May 18, 2004 12:14PM

O.K., so how do I go about reporting this putz to ebay? He wants a fight, he has one!

cacheman · May 18, 2004 1:02PM

Look under their fraud reporting....they sure don't make it easy, do they?

Aethelred · May 18, 2004 1:32PM

I am darn well going to take the time to figure it out now, I did it once several years ago.

wybrit · June 12, 2004 1:11PM

Update: that last copy that sold for £150: the buyer gave the seller a negative!!

Link!

GDJMSP · June 13, 2004 5:41AM

If you really wish to do something to stop this type of fraud - telling ebay about it will do little. I might suggest instead that people such as this are reportred to the FTC and the FBI's Cyber Fraud division. I would also make an effort to determine where this individual lives and report him to the local authorities as well.

Fraud on ebay is no longer being ignored by the authorities - people are being prosecuted, tried, convicted & sentenced. That is by far the best way to deal with the problem. For the more that word gets out that such fraud has consequences - the sooner it will stop.

I think it phoney

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