Do you like this large cent?

JohnZ

I'm just looking for a common date coin for my Dansco album.

What do you all think of the BIN?

Linkeroony

JrGMan2004

Mmmm... chocolatey brown... actually... I think it's a nice little coin... brown... but at the same time, pretty... I don't have a clue on price... but I do like the look on that...

JohnZ

Thanks George.

Anyone else want to weigh in on this before it drops into oblivion?

mdwoods

I'd look for a very nice AU58 coin. That one has a lot of ticks.

Placid

Looks good in the picture. Price seems a little high but not much.
I would prefer a au58 for around $100 myself than a ms61.

rainbowroosie

I also am an AU58 lover...

Donovan

Ditto, go for an AU.

JohnZ

Why an AU?

And Woodie, those ticks look like scraches on the holder to me.

JohnZ

OK, do you guys like this one better?

Link

Placid

I do. Au because they often have more luster and less hits than a ms60-61 and cost less.

JohnZ

Very interesting, Placid. Why would a 61 have more hits than a 58?

Placid

Cause a au58 can have just a light rub on the high spots yet a 61 can be lackluster and dinged alot but have no wear.

Pcgs will usually grade a coin with a light rub but many dings au55 rather than au58.

Keyrock

I think the second closer to a 45/53 via PCGS grading. I like NGC because they will typically give you variety while PCGS doesn't unless its major (i.e. booby head/silly head etc.) From my personal experience I think the second one will take a hit due to the wear on the hair pushing it to a 45 or a 53. (edited to add: The leaf details are too weak to be a 58) I have never had any luck with NGC graded large cents or half cents.

The EAC did a review of NGC vs PCGS vs EAC grading and the NGC were in general higher than the the PCGS coins which were higher than the EAC coins. Typically EAC net grades based on sharpness and color however it was consistent with what I have seen. Be careful for laquered cents in NGC and ANACS slabs. I've seen alot of encapsulated copper in plastic that shouldn't be in the slabs.

Just my two cents, Rich

JohnZ

Be careful for laquered cents in NGC and ANACS slabs. I've seen alot of encapsulated copper in plastic that shouldn't be in the slabs.

Holy Crap! You're not kidding are you?

OK. I'm putting my wallet back into my pocket.

Does anyone have any suggestions for finding a nice AU to MS large cent of any type for my Dansco album?

Elcontador

Type in this series is readily available in grades through MS 65 as long as your're okay with a BN coin. What do you want to spend? I'd avoid the MS 60-62 grades. Avoid technically graded Uncs with no eye appeal. There are quite a few of them, especially in NGC holders, through MS 65.

You want to see some cartwheel luster on the Large Cent. If possible, avoid the 1855s, as they tend to have flat stars & non-existent dentils on one side of the coin. You may also see this on 1852s and 1853s, though not as consistently. I'd either go with an AU 58 with minimal rub at the top leaf tips on the reverse & the upper area of the obverse, or go with an MS 63.

In the past, PCGS was tougher on these coins than NGC, and this has been reflected in sheet pricing for years.

Baley

I kind of like the first one.

Here's what I have in my type set now but am looking for a bit of an upgrade eventually.





Maybe I'll BIN the one you so kindly linked

edit: just kidding I wouldn't do that. And on second thought, the one in the auctions seems to have a lot of dings.

the above coin was won on ebay fairly recently for just about $100. Raw.

JohnZ

That's a super coin Baley!

You are the master of the Dansco type album.

I'm just trying to do what I can to follow your lead.

FC57Coins

I agree with Mark - I think a superslider 58 with great eye appeal would be better than a banged up 61.

rhedden

I collect large cents and I avoid both PCGS and NGC coins. Very often, MS-62 coins, especially NGC, have obvious wear on the high points (go figure). The AU coins slabbed by NGC sometimes look as low as VF-35 to me. Go to a legitimate copper specialist and buy a choice EF-45 uncertified, and it will look better than any slabbed AU you can find. Or buy a choice AU-55 and it will look better than the NGC/PCGS MS-62 coins. Get a well-struck choice coin with lighter brown color and no major defects, and you will do great. Be picky because late-date large cents are very common and you can easily afford to look at a hundred of them before buying one.

291fifth

<< <i>I'd look for a very nice AU58 coin. That one has a lot of ticks. >>



I agree with mdwoods. Look for a nice raw coin. No need to pay the slab premium if you are going to crack it out and put it in an album. These 1850's large cents are quite common in high grade...just keep looking.

BigGreek

I don't like it. Color is odd on the obverse. Looks like it may have
had a cleaning. NGC, though.

MacCrimmon

I agree with what rhedden said.

Check out Tom's stock if you want a nice late date.

Also, jaderarecoin has decent quality raw cents, as does CVM and Doug Bird if you can get to a show. Tom and Chris can work with you via email or phone....PM me if you want more details.

I bought a gorgeous 1832N2 in the 1999 EAC sale which looks mahvelous! It really nets as an AU55BN, but has otherwise flawless surfaces and blazing cartwheel lustre. Just for grins, I sent to PCGS & NGC...the results!??

NGC graded it MS64BN and PCGS called it an MS63BN. I guess legit rub's hard to detect at 5 seconds per coin.

Edited to add: At a legit grade range of AU50BN, don't buy SPOTS, don't buy VERDIGRIS, don't buy big DINGS IN THE FIELDS OR FACE; rather buy a copper which is CHOICE for the grade. Otherwise, like Adrian mentioned a few weeks ago, "you're eyeball will keep getting sucked into the defect every time you look at it" The defect will get larger and larger EVERY TIME YOU LOOK AT IT UNTIL YOU COULD DRIVE LUCY'S T-BIRD RIGHT THRU IT.

OK, I exaggerated a bit........BUY STELLAR QUALITY, whatever the grade range your pocketbook will allow.

rhedden

Ditto what Mac Crimmon said. He could've bought that 1832 cent in an NGC MS-64 holder from a reputable dealer and got POUNDED on the price- but got it as AU-55 from an auction where it was properly graded, and probably paid a fair price. AU large cents get slabbed as MS all the time.

You can get a choice quality common large cent for probably a 20% premium over an average one. Any copper dealer will know what you mean if you ask for a choice, light colored, defect-free example. They probably have 100 of them in stock at any given time.

Incidentally, the two slabbed coins posted in the beginning of this thread look like XF+ coins of the $40 variety if purchased raw.