Put a fork in me.

Stump

Im done.

You all have a great life. Rest of sets will be deleted soon as soon as the vultures get done looking . Thanks to all who have helped.

Dave Jacobs

mrc32

I've been gone for a while.

What's the beef?

onegaucho

Yikes. What's goin on here? I was gone in Vegas for a week for work and after some reading on the boards, things don't look too good morale-wise...

Howitallbegan

Could be wrong here but i think Stump made a comment that if the Vargha thread was deleted . He was throwing in the towell.

Bearsnum34

what was the thread?

GlennGaryGlennRoss

I make a pledge that if the towel thread is deleted, I am throwing Vargha.

WinPitcher

yes they did delete the vargha thread, but created one it its place to rectify the situation. Is that a even tradeoff? I think so no?

thejam

i hope stump reconsiders -- Dave is one class act

calleocho

Stump seems like a real nice guy.

i hope you take a breather for a couple of weeks and reconsider.

its a shame to lose collectors like you.

good luck

EOMINT

Come on man, these are baseball cards, this is supposed to be fun, you guys are killing me...is there not enough drama in everyday life that people here constantly have to invent reasons to be pissed at PSA. THIS IS A HOBBY. IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FUN. RELAX AND ENJOY.

EO

scottsusor

Dave, please don't leave -- In the short time I've been here I've found you to be one of the top tier players. And besides, I haven't even gotten to meet you yet!

I think we should recognize that its not JUST a hobby for many here. Its both a hobby AND a business. For PSA its STRICTLY a business. Joe Orlando DOES recognize that a business cannot survive without happy customers and he knows that we are customers. I really don't understand why so many people simply will not contact him directly by email and/or phone to resolve disputes. Why make everything into a PUBLIC issue?

I also have to take issue with those that say you shouldn't have to go to the president of a company to get action. If PSA were a huge multinational conglomerate, that would probably be true. But PSA is a small company, and it doesn't have thousands of employees and multiple layers of management. Joe has chosen to be the front man and has stated here (and elsewhere) that he makes himself very available to resolve issues. I have to admit that I have little respect for people who go public with issues before ever even attempting to resolve them privately.

Scott

bxb

Stump, I'm kind of new here, but your message sounds so negative. Could you elaborate? You're scaring me a little bit.

Live long and prosper.

qualitycards

DAVE - I too wish you'd reconsider, as I said in my Email to you. Its all about the cards, enjoy your Kalines, Roses & Campanella and you will see the enjoyment in it again...jay

BigKidAtHeart

man,
since I came to these boards just a couple of years ago,
a HUGE number of members have come and gone,
never to return.

that probably speaks more about these boards than it does
about PSA, but PSA has to be a factor!
~jeff

BugOnTheRug

BKAH,
I was just thinking about that this afternoon. Who were all the biggies?..........
Of the top of my head, just a few arise..........

Zardoz
Crazy SC
(........with 2 year old in the background, I'm drawing a blank............so keep going)

BOTR

CON40

"Joe (substitute Dave here), say it ain't so."

We need guys like you to offset the crap from guys like "sandclot"

Vargha

Please reconsider your decision, Dave. We'd all hate to lose a class act like you.

RobE

Dear Mr.Jacobs,

WHAT????

It's a sad day to see that all your hard work will be removed due to the circumstances you put fourth.

David's situation is in the progress of being figured out and hopefully soon to be resolved.

Think it over before you throw in the towel.
Everyone here apprecitates you sharing the
hard work you've put into building those monster
sets and what you bring to the board.

Don't go!

srs1a

Stump is a class act -- in my personal opinion, a generous and very knowledgeable collector -- and this cannot be good news.

If you are not aware, Dave recently brokered a "deal" which made a HOF set an absolutely amazing set -- with every card a 9 or better. This "deal" included moving at least one 1/1 PSA-9s from his set + trading a ton of cards for another 1/1 PSA-9 from another registered set. The later part of this "deal" transformed a very respectable set into a true PSA-8 and better set. This set of transactions replaced the 3 PSA-8's in tyhe HOF set set with 9's.

In the previous, I use quotation marks around deal because Dave's set actually suffered as a result of these transactions -- so it wasn't much of a deal for him. Also, I have no first hand information on this deal, but this is a set that I follow closely and am 100% sure of the 1/1 PSA-9 cards that changed owners...as well as the numerous upgrades that happened to one of the sets as a result of the transaction.

He was also kind enough to offer his advice, knowledge, and several low pop cards to a poor, misguided soul that was building this particular set in another holder...and I am very grateful for his help.

NHLfightguy

I don't blame Stump. Sometimes the best thing to do is just blow everything up and start fresh again down the road. Time tends distort things the further down the road you get. It's never as good as you think and it's never as bad as sometimes you think. I bet will see the Stump come back with a new outlook and fresh new sets of cards he puts together...................

Basilone

Dave,

I hope you reconsider...you are a class act.

I'm not sure if Dave is giving up collecting and selling off....or...if he is just pulling his sets from the registry and has chosen not to particpate on the boards any longer.

Also, I'm not sure who are the vultures are they he makes reference to.

Dave's collection is one of the largest out there....this must have been brewing long before the "Vargha Post"...as one normally wouldnt sell a 20k PSA collection over a message board post.....right?

Vargha

Certainly not for one of my posts. I'm sure he is protesting Joe Orlando being banned and having his threads pulled more than anything.

scottsusor

<< <i>I'm sure he is protesting Joe Orlando being banned ... >>


OK, this was funny the first time it was posted but its not all that funny on the 35th repetition.

Scott

Vargha

Thank you for thinking it was funny the first time. Personally, I felt that the first 22 times were pretty funny. Numbers 23-31 were mildly amusing. But I do agree that by the 32nd time it was posted that it was starting to wear thin.

uniship

that last post was funnier than the first posting (the one numbered one of thirty two)

Vargha

The previous one was number 35 I think.

Basilone

Some time ago Stump mentioned in a post that he would be done with PSA if they ever went to a half-grade point system. Not to open a can of worms...but could this be the reason? Does he know something that has yet to become public?

sixdart

Well you know that you're not going to hear it from PSA first - especially here!

Virtualizard

John,

I'd be done with PSA as well if that occured, but I'm sure that's not the reason. The "sky is not falling" yet.

JEB.

toppsgun

I've decided to cross all of my sets to SGC. I've been offered $2.40 per card and 1/2 grade inflation on each and every listed star card. Also MW has apologized to me. I've agreed to be the best man in his wedding if he will settle out of court with dude. It's his first female wife. (MW, not dude's)

See my icon for a good look at the blushing bride.

dude

I didn't recall reading anything recently that made me think he was unhappy about anything and we even exchanged some friendly e-mails several days ago. So his message is far too cryptic for me to make any assumptions or draw any conclusions. It's a real shame if he quits collecting. He's definitely one of the classiest guys in the hobby.

pc

cmon Dave
you're among the hobby's nicest and
astute collectors.don't go running out on us now.

ejguru

Yikes. I wake up from a nightmare with an urge to look at the board, and am now shocked into an even worse nightmare!

Agree that many issues are not being addressed and even more seem to keep cropping up, and that is disappointing. Maybe this is the beginning of the end? But if we are to believe the submission backlog, then business is made to appear to be at a fever pitch. Is it more likely they just have fewer employees checking them in? I can't recall any delay in getting invoices checked in; now there's a multiple week delay. Does this make any sense?

scottsusor

<< <i>Agree that many issues are not being addressed and even more seem to keep cropping up, and that is disappointing. Maybe this is the beginning of the end? But if we are to believe the submission backlog, then business is made to appear to be at a fever pitch. Is it more likely they just have fewer employees checking them in? I can't recall any delay in getting invoices checked in; now there's a multiple week delay. Does this make any sense? >>


The OPTIMISTIC conclusion would be "growing pains." No, PSA is not a new enterprise but that doesn't mean they can't go through a period where consumer demand exceeds business supply unexpectedly. It could be -- and I think it fairly likely -- that what we're really seeing here is a broad upswing in the graded card market.

The PESSIMISTIC conclusion would be "ownership and/or management incompetence." I know there are plenty of people in the graded card market who do little else but sit around waiting for the next "PSA incident" to occur and can't wait to jump up and down in glee over the "inevitable fall of the giant." The trouble with that is -- The giant has stumbled a few times, but has never fallen -- As is typical for market leaders in every industry.

What I find most ironic -- and somewhat irritating -- are the people who appear to support a company like PSA for some length of time. But then something happens, and WHAM! -- they are suddenly 100% anti-PSA, either becoming unreasonably and outspokenly critical of PSA on PSA's own board, or leaving a "suicide note" and disappearing altogether, or both. In the grand scheme of things, do any of you really believe that PSA is in business for one reason and one reason only -- to screw its customers? Do you really believe that PSA's corporate charter states its goal as "To be as incompetent as possible?"

Scott

jackstraw

I have never dealt with stump other than a 75 topps card that i sold him when he was down to 5 needed. i do read the boards daily if not hourly and i think that stump would be a big loss to this community. i will ask a serious question why would psa going to a half grade system make anybody stop collecting? i love collecting baseball cards and it is pretty much my pastime but i just don't understand why this would make someone walk away from the hobby? it's not like you wake up someday and say man i hate my collection because half of them are 8.5's and 9.5's?i would imagine that stump has other issues than the 8.5 scale and i doubt that he would spend close to a 60 grand to cross his collection and i doubt he has lost his passion for collecting. once a junkie always a junkie! i hope he decides to stay and coninues to chime in and if he does decide to sell i want that 76 bevaque bubble gum champ card that you sniped me on

RayBShotz

I can't say enough about Stump. I have always gotten the warm feeling that Dave goes out of his way to help. It's never about "how much does this benefit Dave". You always come away from a deal with him saying, "this guy really helped me out".
Many of you have used the phrase "class act". Dave is exactly that.

I also am not quite sure what the "fork" is all about, but if your still out there dave please reconsider. The boards are just a place for us like minded collectors to bond, share our ideas, and have fun talking about cards. All the other stuff is secondary.
Stick around Dave; it'll be worth it.

RayB69Topps

ejguru

Scott: Are you calling me out? You don't know jack about me or Dave either. I am sorry if I "irritate" you. My post does not imply that I am "100%" against PSA--you are a fool for interpreting that. I just would think that after all of the issues that have occurred over the past 2+ years, there would be a bit more of an effort by PSA to communicate with its "1%ers."

fab4

dave,

first off i support your decision, . if you have submitted or bought any amount of cards you will have issues. i also had a problem (like vargha) that went unresolved, so i did the same thing you did. i will no longer submit and have sold or even given away my graded cards. luckily i kept most of my cards raw. i am not bashing psa as i am the one who decided to no longer submit or buy anything graded from any company. as with any business you can part ways without bad mouthing them. i will not discuss my problem with psa as it is between us and will stay that way.

............fab4.............

scottsusor

I'm not calling out anybody specific, not my style. But if I did decide to call somebody out, I'd most certainly use their name. Fair enough?

Edited to add: I believe that Joe's "1%" reference was related more to brains than bodies.

Scott

ejguru

Scott: You specifically cut and pasted MY comments. Pretty clear to me and anyone else reading it. I'll agree to let it go, because I actually am not 100% for or against, just wondering how multiple situations can be (apparently to many) mismanaged. Peace.

Buckwheat

I just got back into town to find this thread. What is the story here? Dave, can you expand a little this weekend before the powers that be come back on Monday to delete whatever your beef is?

murcerfan

Edited to add: I believe that Joe's "1%" reference was related more to brains than bodies.

so let's get this straight. 6 months experience and one glad-hand from PSA at your first major show qualifies you as the smartest player in town?

1420sports

But then something happens, and WHAM! -- they are suddenly 100% anti-PSA, either becoming unreasonably and outspokenly critical of PSA on PSA's own board, or leaving a "suicide note" and disappearing altogether, or both.

It is a little more than that Scott. That comment may describe one or two people, but no where near the majority of people who have voiced their concerns or thoughts on these boards.

Had you been on these boards longer than 4 months, you would realize that EJ is not one of those guys that simply blow up at the first problem and give up all hope in PSA.

dbj77

scottusor,
I don't think you see the problem here. People who have been PSA most loyal customers for years are getting fed up with things. Doesn't that tell you anything? It's not like the people complaining are anonymous trolls, they are respected board members who show up at the National and are really the backbone of the vintage card collecting community. When these guys are treated like dogpoo there is a problem, stop blindly defending PSA like they are your mother.

koby

I read these boards regularly but I must have missed something. I recently saw the Vargha post and it appears that Vargha has talked to Cassi about a resolution. I have seen in the past some threads about misgraded cards.

How has Stump been mistreated? Not to downplay his plight as I am sure it is very very serious in order to cause him to give up on this hobby forever. Does anyone know the specifics?

Howitallbegan

Koby

Lets see if you review Stumps posts over the last few months you would certainly notice that he was getting fed up with Joe's non answers on issues , the way his friend Jim Crandell was treated by Joe , the lack of customer service provided to long time loyal PSA supporters

He voiced his displeasure in his posts over the above issues and one of his last posts he said if Vargha's post was deleted he was gone

koby

Thank you.

I was also upset when Davalillo was expelled, but I have decided that I am not going to stop collecting baseball cards.

Fabfrank

Unfortunately the only way to find out the truth is if Stump comes on a posts his reason for leaving. If not, it's his perogitive to go. I have a feeling though that we'll find out the reason soon. Whether on this board or another.
I hope you reconsider Dave.

Basilone

<< <i>Edited to add: I believe that Joe's "1%" reference was related more to brains than bodies >>




Scott....that was not a very polite thing to say bro.

ejguru

Go easy on the old man, John. He knows not who he insults...

Basilone

Yo EJ -

Have you picked up a 1967 cello yet for the National? Maybe you could do a live break at the luncheon!

John