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relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭
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What do you think this would grade?

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  • nOoBiEeEnOoBiEeE Posts: 1,011 ✭✭
    I dunno but either way, the pic is not clear enough.
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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    I'm thinking somewhere in the AU range. Looks like breaks in the luster on the hair and a cotton ball or two.
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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Looks fake the the nose are and the tip of the 9 as well as some other areas look funny for gold. Guess it could just be the picture.If real au probably anacs might net it for the scratch.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,323 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Photo isn't good enough to use for grading. Being a raw $1 gold its authenticity is immediately suspect.
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  • JadeRareCoinJadeRareCoin Posts: 2,768 ✭
    Do you have a weight and diameter for that coin? I have some issues regarding it's authenticity, although it's very tough to tell from a computer image.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,948 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, I have to agree. Although it can't be conclusive from this photo, I'd be concerned about authenticity.
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  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭

    Well I was feeling lucky last month and bought 3 raw gold coins on eBay.

    This one came back as Not Genuine.imageimageimage

    Good eyes on all of you doubted it's authenticity - wish I did the same.

    I contacted the seller explaining the situation asking for a refund, but I haven't heard back yet.

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  • GoldCoinLoverGoldCoinLover Posts: 1,244


    << <i>Well I was feeling lucky last month and bought 3 raw gold coins on eBay.

    This one came back as Not Genuine.imageimageimage

    Good eyes on all of you doubted it's authenticity - wish I did the same.

    I contacted the seller explaining the situation asking for a refund, but I haven't heard back yet. >>



    How did you figure out it was fake? I just started coin collecting, I guess thats why the coin looks real to me in the photo. Does it feel heavy like real gold? One thing you can do is take one of your authentic gold coins, take the suspected "fake" one, and flip both (in the air) with your fingers. The authetic and fake one should have different tones of pitch. Also weight it on a eletronic scale.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,948 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's been written here before, but it bears repeating.

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    don't buy raw gold coins on Ebay. image
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,948 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gold Coin Lover:

    I didn't like the surfaces, and I didn't like the weakness in the highest levels of surface detail. Also the dentiles, the "teeth" that run around the rim did not have the appearance of a normal U.S. gold dollar from this era.
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  • JadeRareCoinJadeRareCoin Posts: 2,768 ✭
    Also, the lower leaves at the top of the wreath (adjacent to "1') are missing. This is feasible on a genuine gold coin, but I have seen this counterfeit before and that's one of the clues.
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  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭


    << <i>How did you figure out it was fake? >>



    I submitted it to PCGS who did not authenticate it and returned it in a body bag as "Not Genuine".

    As far as Bill's comments about not buying raw gold on eBay, you're preaching to the choir on that one.

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  • GoldCoinLoverGoldCoinLover Posts: 1,244
    What do you mean by saying preaching to the choir?

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