Just what is that supposed to mean? You asked a question and I answered it! Andy- I'm talking to you. The more I contemplate your last statement you are proving my point! PCGS should not give or take away anything! They are not God! They are paid to provide a service and to do it to the best of their ability without any smoke and mirrors!
Spit it out. You have something to say to me then be a man about it and say it!
Boom - Thank you for answering my question, but PCGS does not use Star Trek technology to grade coins. They use human beings. That means that grading IS STILL subjective. One day, that will change. Until then, deal with the inconsistencies.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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Then we are in agreement Andy. You asked a question as to how such and such could possibly be done and I said with 21st Century technology. I have no beef with you nor do I have a beef with PCGS. I simply believe that there is room for improvement and someday-perhaps not in our lifetimes, these changes will come to pass and then -PCGS will truly be the very best that it can be! Agreed?
I simply believe that there is room for improvement and someday-perhaps not in our lifetimes, these changes will come to pass and then -PCGS will truly be the very best that it can be! Agreed?
Almost. A new company could come along with a technological grading solution and quickly knock PCGS out of the game. If that happens, then at least somebody will "truly be the very best that (PCGS) can be". It just might not be PCGS.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
At its best, the registry allows you to share information with collectors who have the same interests as you. It also allows for a virtual collection, if I am visiting Uncle Fred in Idaho, I can pull up part my collection for him.
It is a great marketing tool for NGC and PCGS to increase their revenue. I have put part of my early half dollar collection on the NGC Registry (Woodinville), but have yet to submit a coin for grading.
The registry is a very effective tool for inflating the ego of millionaire collectors.
There have been many posts by collectors frustrated by "not being able to afford anything" this is a bunch of crap, if you focus on the history and study of coins, not on grades. If I want to see beautiful colors I can buy a kaleidoscope.
With coin clubs I belong to, JRCS, BHNC, and a local club, the focus is on the study of the coins, not competition, and grades do not matter. Lots of satisfaction, no burnout. I receive great enjoyment at the local club listening to a person speak on the history of a $5 trade token.
Join a coin club that is not controlled by a grading service, study the coins.
For true numismatists, grades are irrelevant.
Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver
For true numismatists grades are relative. Grades are merely ways to compare one coin to another, but true numismatists will always upgrade as the opportu- nity arises. Certainly some coins are much more difficult or much less important to upgrade than others. But generally, a coin will always be upgraded as possible by a neophyte or the most advanced collector.
Just out of curiosity, beyond a vague emotional argument for abolishing the registry what are some factual and defendable arguments (i.e. non opinion driven) for ridding coin collecting of registry sets?
I disagree, Cladking. For collectors, grades are important. For the person analyzing the attributes of a coin, it is irrelevant as to whether the coin is AU55 or MS65, or in bust coins whether it is VF or XF.
Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver
<< <i>I disagree, Cladking. For collectors, grades are important. For the person analyzing the attributes of a coin, it is irrelevant as to whether the coin is AU55 or MS65, or in bust coins whether it is VF or XF. >>
It really depends on what is being analyzed. Generally if one is looking at die or strike characteristics then certainly a VF coin or even a VG coin will usually suffice. Even here though there can be exceptions. 1974 quarters appear with a 1973 reverse but the differences are so slight that they are worn off long before they get to VG condition. Also if one is looking for surface qualities then unc coins would be a necessity regardless of issue.
I agree that a circulated coin can have as much or even more to teach than an unc, and might even agree if you twist my arm that collectors worry too much about grade, but the fact remains that collectors do generally upgrade as possible and for most purposes higher grade coins are more easily studied.
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Boom - Then you should contemplate it a bit longer.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Boom - Thank you for answering my question, but PCGS does not use Star Trek technology to grade coins. They use human beings. That means that grading IS STILL subjective. One day, that will change. Until then, deal with the inconsistencies.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Almost. A new company could come along with a technological grading solution and quickly knock PCGS out of the game. If that happens, then at least somebody will "truly be the very best that (PCGS) can be". It just might not be PCGS.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
It is a great marketing tool for NGC and PCGS to increase their revenue. I have put part of my early half dollar collection on the NGC Registry (Woodinville), but have yet to submit a coin for grading.
The registry is a very effective tool for inflating the ego of millionaire collectors.
There have been many posts by collectors frustrated by "not being able to afford anything" this is a bunch of crap, if you focus on the history and study of coins, not on grades. If I want to see beautiful colors I can buy a kaleidoscope.
With coin clubs I belong to, JRCS, BHNC, and a local club, the focus is on the study of the coins, not competition, and grades do not matter. Lots of satisfaction, no burnout. I receive great enjoyment at the local club listening to a person speak on the history of a $5 trade token.
Join a coin club that is not controlled by a grading service, study the coins.
For true numismatists, grades are irrelevant.
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For true numismatists, grades are irrelevant. >>
For true numismatists grades are relative. Grades are merely ways to compare
one coin to another, but true numismatists will always upgrade as the opportu-
nity arises. Certainly some coins are much more difficult or much less important
to upgrade than others. But generally, a coin will always be upgraded as possible
by a neophyte or the most advanced collector.
Neil
<< <i>I disagree, Cladking. For collectors, grades are important. For the person analyzing the attributes of a coin, it is irrelevant as to whether the coin is AU55 or MS65, or in bust coins whether it is VF or XF. >>
It really depends on what is being analyzed. Generally if one is looking at die or
strike characteristics then certainly a VF coin or even a VG coin will usually suffice.
Even here though there can be exceptions. 1974 quarters appear with a 1973
reverse but the differences are so slight that they are worn off long before they
get to VG condition. Also if one is looking for surface qualities then unc coins would
be a necessity regardless of issue.
I agree that a circulated coin can have as much or even more to teach than an unc,
and might even agree if you twist my arm that collectors worry too much about grade,
but the fact remains that collectors do generally upgrade as possible and for most
purposes higher grade coins are more easily studied.