Two more MONSTER Heritage Retail Breaks

joestalin · March 10, 2004 6:01AM

Ive been checking the local target for a week now. Finally they had two of the 29.99 boxes...they
look different than the ones from walmart so I was a bit hesitant, but of course I caved in...Im glad I
did:

Box 1

11 SP's incl Nomar
3 inserts
1 Chrome Edwin Jackson
1 Retrofractor Arod!
Brett Myers Jersey

Box 2

13 SP's incl Piazza and Jeter
2 chromes
3 inserts
Glaus Jersey
Dave Johnson Auto

The GU, auto and chromes were all in the same pack. Amazing!

Kevin

Stone193 · March 10, 2004 6:06AM

Kevin
You know St. Patty's day is nearing and you have the luck of the Irish - I pulled a third black chrome - sent one to Chris; the last one is K. Ballouli 21/55 - value?
Mike

joestalin · March 10, 2004 6:19AM

Mike

I have opened over 150 packs now and have yet to pull a black refractor. Ballouli is a rookie so that is
a nice pull. The rookies will book very nicely. The three most sought after black refractors will
be Sung Jung, David Murphy and Dioner Navarro. Are you going to rip anymore? I pulled a pack
today that had two SP's, one Jersey and one auto in it. WOW, these retail boxes are amazing

Kevin

iupkid · March 10, 2004 6:27AM

Target is the only place I've been able to find these retail boxes. I've gotten 3 so far and got over an SP per pack. I've checked 4 Targets and only 2 of them have had them. It's gotten so bad that I've got my Mom back in Pittsburgh checking their Targets for me. She actually did find a box today.

Steve

ranch · March 10, 2004 6:31AM

Man! This board is starting to remind me of the Buy Sell & Trade board, with people like Joestalin, Stone193, KallMaloneSay telling us how they went to Walmart to buy a box of modern cards...what they pulled...how much it costs...and so on...

Guys, could you do us a favor? Please post all your childish cr@p here.

Thanks.

Stone193 · March 10, 2004 6:37AM

Kevin
There's a Walmart near the house with a full box of open packs - so you don't get one extra - there's one partially full - I'm thinking of sending the boss - she owes me a favor - what do you think? I like the sealed retails better. By the way, with our extras - I'm working with John - I'll let you know how my set is doing - this one is a challenge with all those SP's!
Mike

iupkid · March 10, 2004 6:44AM

Ranch,

Here's a suggestion............If you don't like the subject, don't read the freaking post. Nice pic in your sig, there's nothing childish about that.

Stone,

The Heritage boxes with the loose packs will yeild about 1 SP every other pack, the same as the Hobby version. The gold seems to be in the sealed 29.99 boxes.

Steve

iamthegreatcornholio · March 10, 2004 6:51AM

joestalin, nice pulls, just remember everytime you get better than stated odds someone else gets worse. Five retail boxes - 23 SP's, 1 lousy bat card, no autos, 1 refractor, and 3 chromes. The retail might be loaded in some areas but in other areas it is dead.

Stone193 · March 10, 2004 6:59AM

iupkid
Thanx for the info - I was affraid of that, as I have been doing unbelievable with the retail boxes. I can understand how Ranch feels but as you said - a thread has a title and TWO speeds: ON and OFF; and I didn't know that someone else had some kind of privileged or special access to these boards. That is the last I will say on this issue but to Ranch if he wants to PM me his phone number, I will be more than happy to discuss how he can "educate" me. You know, opening packs, putting sets together is what I do - my vintage stuff is separate - this keeps you young - I thought discussing WHERE to access the cards is germane to collecting since the hobby version in my area has gone to 4-5$/pack.

joestalin · March 10, 2004 7:38AM

Ranch is just chapped because there won't be heritage hockey this year. I understand his pain.but Im
over it.

Mike...I would wait on those loose packs, the sealed 29.99 boxes are the ones to get, Im not sure
if they are all going to be like that or not, but we know they are like that now so get them while you
can! The best thing is NO PACK SEARCHERS!!!!!!!!!!

cornholio....where do you live, those breaks sound painful. Perhaps this is a regional thing. Where are
you buying them?

Kevin

iamthegreatcornholio · March 10, 2004 7:50AM

Kevin, I live about 25 miles east of Atlanta. I really don't care much about the GU stuff, the frustrating part is the SP's. Of the measly 23 I pulled, 10 were duplicates!
Brian

Rainman · March 10, 2004 8:01AM

i've opened 2 boxes- 0 gu, 0 autos, 0 black, 1 chrome refractor (palmeiro, someone i collect), 2 inserts, few sps

TheRoach · March 10, 2004 8:58AM

<< <i>Mike

I have opened over 150 packs now and have yet to pull a black refractor. Ballouli is a rookie so that is
a nice pull. The rookies will book very nicely. The three most sought after black refractors will
be Sung Jung, David Murphy and Dioner Navarro. Are you going to rip anymore? I pulled a pack
today that had two SP's, one Jersey and one auto in it. WOW, these retail boxes are amazing

Kevin >>

After my one lucky retail box, I have had zero luck finding the $29.99 boxes. I have been to 2 other Targets and they only had opened boxes that are marked to sell individually. I tried my luck with 6 of those packs and I pulled:

3 SP's
Richie Sexson Chrome
Jeffrey Allison Chrome
Sung Jung Retrofractor/555
Flashback - Herb score

I didn't think that was that great until I saw Stalin say that Sung jung was one of the best prospects you could pull. Granted I didn't get the Black Refractor, it was still a decent pull I guess. Any guesses as what he may book at?

Hey Kevin - You don't want those cards I offered? The Podres Auto, Smoltz Relic, Sp's etc..? I was waiting for an email from you. I'll try again - Pedroks20@sbcglobal.net.

Basilone - if you are out there, your cards went out today.

TheRoach

Basilone · March 10, 2004 10:38AM

The Roach-

Thanks so much.....I wish I could find some of those $29.99 boxes....I just got stuck buying some of the regular retail packs (stay away...same odds as hobby packs)

TheRoach · March 10, 2004 10:43AM

I initially found 2 boxes of the $29.99 boxes at my closest Target. I hid one of them in the back of all the other boxes. I am going to see if it is still there in about 20 minutes. This was a few days ago, so I doubt it. I will let ya know a bit later.

TheRoach

kuhlmann · March 10, 2004 11:36AM

I got caught up in all the hype about these retail boxes. so i was at target with the wife and saw 2 29.99 boxes sitting there. so i bought them and putting them on ebay tonite.

box 1
10 sp's
1 tn #6
1fb #f8
dioner navarro rookie card
3 retrofractor
anthony acevedo #d 19/555 and 235/555 2 of his!!
1 jeffery allison #d 521/555
box 2
9 sp's
1tn #3
1fb #f2
2 retrofractor
anthony lerew #d33/555
estban loaiza #d125/555.

so are these loaded i guess so should turn a profit on ebay.

Stone193 · March 10, 2004 11:44AM

Chris
Are you now going to put a set together? If not, I could use a few. By the way, does Topps manufacture for different vendors - the retail box I got at Walmart was a different shape than at Target - almost missed the one at Walmart - I know this is dumb.
John
thanx for your SP's - I will say in deference to Ranch I do sound like a swap shop right now.
Mike

kuhlmann · March 10, 2004 11:47AM

Mike
which ones do you need. i am listing these on ebay. i just bought them to see the hype and see if i can flip a profit off them. but let me know who you need.

joestalin · March 10, 2004 12:36PM

OK here is info that I have gathered so far:

Walmart...got these in over a week ago. Ive only seen packs at super walmarts, but I have seen
packs and 2 29.99 boxes at regular stores......I think in my area each walmart got only two 29.99 boxes. I haven't
seen any reloads in any of the stores.

Target....The two I have been to has gotten 3 boxes to sell as packs. The SP's are pulling 1:2 and
I haven't pulled an auto from those packs yet. I also picked up 2 29.99 boxes, which were loaded
much like the walmart boxes which yes are slightly smaller in size. Also make sure when you are
looking because they kinda look like the 03 bow heritage boxes, so make sure you look around.

Kmart....Both Kmarts in this area are up to the wall in old products that haven't sold. Im not sure even
if they had heritage in the back room they would put it out. Over the past years, each of the kmarts
here have gotten in about 10 boxes each! Which is good for guys who haven't found it yet....now
if these are loaded or not has yet to be seen, if so holy cow!

Jiffy/Gas Stations....haven't seen anything but most likely they will come out at 3.49 and will be just
like hobby packs....no thanks apu!

If you have to cashe these away do so. Target usually cleans up real well but there are certain places
on the shelves that are open and you can hide a box or two in there. Also check out there DVD and CD
section, there are lots of hiding places. My favorite place in kmart is on the bottom of the pillow
stacks! They can live there undisturbed for weeks!

I think if this set is a popular as before we will be seeing these retail boxes going for 50-60 bucks on the
bay! Whats better than collecting your favorite set AND making a little profit at the same time?

Keep those pulls coming!

Kevin

iamthegreatcornholio · March 10, 2004 12:40PM

Thanks for the info Kevin, I guess my boxes were an outlier. I'll buy some tomorrow, and hope for better luck this time. BTW, isn't the only way to get the DOUBLE HEADER cards needed for a true master set from hobby boxes?
Brian

joestalin · March 10, 2004 1:10PM

the jury is still out wether or not the master set will include the double header cards in it. They are
nice but I could do without them....if I had to I would buy them cheap on ebay rather than buying
hobby boxes. The original idea was to include some original 1955 double header cards in there
but that fell through I guess.

Kevin

kuhlmann · March 10, 2004 1:13PM

The pulls i listed earlier i wasnt aware that todd helton purple jersey was a sp. arod throwing posada and giambi stance. so add 4 more sp's to my pull!! funny i own a shop and you guys talked me into buying a retail a couple of retail boxes. i have to admit they are pretty loaded.

jaybyrd · March 10, 2004 1:35PM

Cornholio - I am 20 miles west of Atlanta. I have yet to see vintage in Wal-Mart or Target. Maybe I will check again at lunch near Southlake Mall.

BigKidAtHeart · March 10, 2004 1:50PM

<< <i>The pulls i listed earlier i wasnt aware that todd helton purple jersey was a sp. >>

are we SURE that the PURPLE jersey
is the SP?
I pulled 3 of them them in 2 boxes....
and have not pulled ANY of the white jersey
versions and I have opened 2 hobby boxes of 24 packs
and 2 retail boxes of 24 packs

kuhlmann · March 10, 2004 1:52PM

BKAH
I was reading basilones post on another thread and it says purple jersey is sp. and on ebay they are listed as sp. so i guess they are.

Basilone · March 10, 2004 2:03PM

joestalin · March 10, 2004 2:06PM

BKAH

Are you looking at the jersey in the background or the foreground? The jersey in the foreground
is always purple, the short print has the small picture wearing a purple jersey.

Kevin

BigKidAtHeart · March 10, 2004 3:27PM

<< <i>BKAH

Are you looking at the jersey in the background or the foreground? The jersey in the foreground
is always purple, the short print has the small picture wearing a purple jersey.

Kevin >>

ok,
is that confusing enough!?!

you are right.
I was not looking at the right picture!
(so I have only one SP)

but hey, I can hardly keep these SPs straight....
the high numbers...
some stars....
certain poses of little pics....
certain shirt colors of little pics......
old logos on some cards.....
new logos on others......
aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeegggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!
this is tough!! (but fun)

DAMN you Joestalin! My wife is really ticked at you!
because YOU started this stuff with all this
excitement about the heritage....
Now I am having to bust boxes to do the set!
(basic - not master.... that is toooooo much for me!)

anyway, your name is MUDD right now
because I told my wife it is YOUR fault I had to buy all these cards!!!

joestalin · March 10, 2004 3:46PM

by basic you mean all the short prints too? If not I could probably provide you with the rest
of the base set (no sp's). If you are attempting the set then I would suggest the retail boxes
you can tell your wife they are less expensive! LOL It would only take one key auto to pay
for the set. Good Luck and let is know if we can help.

Kevin

Knopfler · March 11, 2004 6:10AM

OK, I went and did it. I bought a box of Topps Heritage. It was the only one left at the Target by my work. These are the first unopened packs I have bought in 12+ years (with the exception of a few that I picked up on Ebay). Can't open them until tonight though. I hope to have the luck most of you have had.

joestalin · March 11, 2004 7:05AM

man I could never sit on unopened packs for very long..sometimes I don't even make it to my car
before they are opened. I hope you pull something nice and lookout for the very thick packs that
deliver great cards!

Kevin

Stone193 · March 11, 2004 7:13AM

Knopfler
Good luck - you don't have to have any fear after 12+ years!! IT'S LIKE RIDING A BICYCLE!!! Headed to Targets right this minute - was tempted to buy the open boxes at Walmart - didn't - I really like this set - very good design and the black chromes are sharp! See ya,
Mike

Knopfler · March 11, 2004 7:20AM

Thanks guys. Joe, the only reason I'm not opening them now is because I had to come back to work. I'm pretty anxious though to get started though!

SlipKnot515 · March 11, 2004 7:28AM

I've bought two of these boxes...pulled some nice stuff, including a Berra seat card (eh...), Chrome Piazza, Retro Ivan, Real One Frank Smith auto, and a Chrome Dioner Navarro (Who..?). I also had one more retro but the name of the guy escapes me right now.

helionaut · March 11, 2004 11:30AM

It's been a while since I've ripped a box, even an 11-pack box, so when I found myself at Target today, I had to check their boxes and found 2 Heritage boxes. As a side note, this Target has a better selection of hockey than any card shop in town. Anyway, I only bought one box. One was sealed and the other had the shrinkwrap removed and the side flap pulled halfway open. I took the sealed one home. It was pretty nice, so I went back and took the chance on the other, which was loaded, too. I got:

Box 1
Piazza Refractor 555
R. Nolcasco Chrome 1955
Newcombe Flashbacks, Ichiro New Age, Snider/Delgado T&N
19 SP's

Box 2
Zito, D. Willis, & S. Green Chrome 1955
Glaus Clubhouse Collection jersey
Roberts Flashbacks
19 SP's

I tried to use the power of positive visualization (chanting "MusialAutoMusialAutoMusialAuto" before opening each pack), but I got no black refs, and no autos

The weirdest thing is that in the first box, I got between 1 and 3 SPs in each pack, but I ended up with 7 doubles among those 19 SPs. Several times I got 2 of the same SP in the same pack. And there were 4 more doubles between the 2 boxes.

I wasn't really planning on building this set, but now that I'm about 28 SPs and $80 into it, I think I'm in too deep to just forego it. I think I might have to hit the other Targets and Wal-Marts around that have usually been good about having cards.

Anyone want to trade? I've got these SPs for trade:
#117 Burrell
#123 Miner
#213 Webb
#429 Nevin
#433 Labandeira
#435 Delgado
#436 Schilling
#441 Crisp
#455 Griffey (x2)
#475 Renteria

The inserts, chromes and jersey are on the block as well.

bengineno9 · March 11, 2004 11:48AM

I had to get in on the fun. Bought a box today at Target.

SPs

#402 Anderson
#403 Sleeth (2)
#407 Martinez
#419 Jordan
#420 Podsednik
#426 Mulder
#439 Prior
#452 Mora
#467 Penny
#361 Wagner (old logo)
Also think i got the Zito and Helton SP's have to check.

Chromes #/1955
#79 Kylie Davis
#86 Donald Levinski

Refractors #/555
#22 Pedro Martinez

New Age
#2 Ichiro
#3 Rodriguez

Then Now
#TN2 Pujols Kaline

Flashback
#7 Killebrew
#8 Score

If anyone needs some help filling in a set send me an email. I'm just working on getting most of the Cardinal players so i have a lot of cards available. Ben
#101 Cliff Floyd

Knopfler · March 11, 2004 12:09PM

Picked up three more boxes on the way home. This may be a dumb question, but keep in mind that I've been strictly vintage for the past 10 years. I got some chromes, some new ages, a then and now, and a game used (Mike Sweeney yeah!). But what are the SP's? I thought SP meant short print and that meant they were numbered. Is that not correct? If it is correct, I did not get any SP's besides the chromes.

Bengineno -- I may be interested in trading Cardinals for Royals. Let me know.

Are these boxes regionalized. I got a Mike Sweeney Jersey card and I just got a Lou Limmer (KC Athletics) Auto card. In case my icon did not give it away, I live in KC. Coincidince?

Basilone · March 11, 2004 12:18PM

Knopfler-

2004 Topps Heritage SP/Variation List

#1 Jim Thome - Variation "Fielding"
#1 Jim Thome - Variation "Hitting" SP
#2 Nomar Garciaparra - SP
#4 Rafael Palmeiro - SP
#8 Dmitri Young - Variation "New Logo"
#8 Dmitri Young - Variation "Old Logo" SP
#10 Jason Giambi - Variation "Swinging"
#10 Jason Giambi - Variation "Batting Stance" SP
#28 Sammy Sosa - SP
#30 Adam Dunn - Variation "Fielding"
#30 Adam Dunn - Variation "Hitting" SP
#40 Chipper Jones - Variation "Pointing"
#40 Chipper Jones - Variation "Fielding" SP
#47 Gary Sheffield - SP
#49 Jason Kendall - Variation "New Logo"
#49 Jason Kendall - Variation "Old Logo" SP
#50 Ichiro - SP
#60 Magglio Ordonez - Variation "Running"
#60 Magglio Ordonez - Variation "Hitting" SP
#70 Todd Helton - Variation "White Jersey"
#70 Todd Helton - Variation "Purple Jersey" SP
#85 Rodney Choy Foo - Variation "New Logo"
#85 Rodney Choy Foo - Variation "Old Logo" SP
#92 Matt Creighton RC - SP
#100 Alex Rodriguez - Variation "Hitting"
#100 Alex Rodriguez - Variation "Throwing" SP
#117 Pat Burrell - Variation "Old Logo" SP
#117 Pat Burrell - Variation "New Logo"
#120 Frank Thomas - Variation "Old Logo" SP
#120 Frank Thomas - Variation "New Logo"
#123 Zach Miner RC - SP
#124 Matt Moses RC - SP
#164 Zach Duke RC - SP
#180 Manny Ramirez - Variation "New Logo"
#180 Manny Ramirez - Variation "Old Logo" SP
#182 Moises Alou - Variation "New Logo"
#182 Moises Alou - Variation "Old Logo" SP
#194 Rich Aurilia - SP
#198 Jorge Posada - SP
#200 Albert Pujols - Variation "New Logo"
#200 Albert Pujols - Variation "Old Logo" SP
#210 Shawn Green - SP
#213 Brandon Webb - Variation "Glove on Chest"
#213 Brandon Webb - Variation "Glove in Air" SP
#250 Alfonso Soriano - Variation "Throwing"
#250 Alfonso Soriano - Variation "Fielding" SP
#311 Jay Gibbons - Variation "New Logo"
#311 Jay Gibbons - Variation "Old Logo" SP
#342 Barry Zito - Variation "White Jersey"
#342 Barry Zito - Variation "Green Jersey" SP
#361 Ryan Wagner - Variation "New Logo"
#361 Ryan Wagner - Variation "Old Logo" SP

Card #'s 398-475 are all SP.

Knopfler · March 11, 2004 12:21PM

Jeez!! Thanks for the info Basilone. I guess I'll be going back through them!

Basilone · March 11, 2004 12:21PM

Here is an update list of cards I need (updated):

NONE...

MASTER SET COMPLETED

joestalin · March 11, 2004 12:41PM

Helionaut...Ironic that you pulled a Glaus..oh well, still 19 sp's is huge! Even if you got 2 bucks for
them (and many of them will book 10-15) you would STILL get your money back!

Knopfler...welcome to the club! Is the auto for trade? LMK

I was horrified to hear about one of the retail boxes being opened...If pack searchers get wind
that there is usually a "hot" pack in the boxes and star opening them up, it will take all the fun
out of it! I have seen some skybox basketball retail boxes with the wrapping missing on the
bottom..you have to check these carefully! Back in 2001 someone was going around buying
all the retail boxes, taking them home, raping them and then wrapping them back up sans
autographs. I wish I could find one of these jerks and wait for him outside! oh well

Check the wrap carefully, the GU's can be sniffed out but the autos can't. From what I have
seen there is usually one pack that is more full than all the others, that is the money pack.

Lets get trading!

Kevin

qualitycards · March 11, 2004 12:51PM

STALIN - I ripped open a few packs as as well, guess what jersey card I got? ...jay

iamthegreatcornholio · March 11, 2004 12:56PM

Hey guys please check out my post on the trading forum
Trading Sp's and inserts for 2004 Topps Heritage

Brian

iupkid · March 11, 2004 1:02PM

Cornholio,

I've got #470 that you need. Would you be will to trade it for #10? I've also got NAP 10&15. I'd trade those two for NAP 3&12. LMK what you think.

Steve

joestalin · March 11, 2004 1:09PM

Brian

I sent you an email...you are actually better off here than the trade board, I don't think
anyone over there opens this stuff.

Kevin

CW · March 11, 2004 1:16PM

I think all this Heritage talk on the boards is great! I agree
with Stone193 - opening packs keeps you young & brings back memories
of opening packs as a kid. I bought a 29.99 box at my local Meijer's
last week. When I got home I noticed they overcharged me two bucks n'
change, so I took the short drive to get my money back. The cool part
is that here in Michigan they have a scanner law, and thanks to that
I got back an extra $5 on top of the overcharge. One little victory
for the small guy!

Today I was shopping at the same Meijer's, saw another box, and they
overcharged me again. As long as their going to keep giving me this
$5 discount, I'll be doing my Heritage buying at my local Meijer's!

First box yielded a Fred McGriff bat card, the Warren Spahn seat card,
& a Bagwell refractor. 2nd box had an Andruw Jones refr., and another
Spahn seat card. I haven't had time to look over the list of SP's and
see how I did on those. Not sure if I'm going to build the set...

One question: the 2nd box had the 4th checklist, and it was on really
thick cardboard, much like the GU cards. Are these checklists hard to
find?

iamthegreatcornholio · March 11, 2004 1:18PM

No, i still haven't pulled an auto

I have pulled a few GU though, Torii Hunter bat, Rocco Baldelli jersey, and Kazuhisa Ishii jersey

Kevin, email reply sent,

Brian

iamthegreatcornholio · March 11, 2004 1:23PM

CW, I've gotten about 1 in each retail box. I guess they try to throw pack feeler's off, I always get excited when the pack is really thick but then it turns out to be a CL!
Brian

Cubfan · March 11, 2004 1:24PM

I wouldnt think the checklists are too tough. I got all four in just the 10 packs I opened.

I wonder if they are put there to throw the cheaters off track?

Keith

iamthegreatcornholio · March 11, 2004 1:27PM

Steve, pm sent

Stone193 · March 11, 2004 1:37PM

<< <i>I agree
with Stone193 - opening packs keeps you young & brings back memories
of opening packs as a kid. >>

CW - you have gotten some really great pulls - although I have a pretty extensive vintage collection from cards to bats, vending machine, unopened wax, vending cases, etc., I put a base set of topps together every year along with a selected set like heritage e.g. I posted a thread about chasing illusive items like the 92UD homerun heroes but between this and the starting lineups that drove my wife crazy because everywhere we travelled, I had to stop and hunt - wouldn't trade it for the world - probably lost more in GAS! Thanx for the vote of confidence - I know this is not the trade board - but then again, if it is interesting and loosely related, who's keeping score. After all, didn't I read a thread here about Giambi and steroids? What does that have to do DIRECTLY with sports cards and memorabilia - my point is, no big deal, if you feel like talking - do it - if no one is interested, they won't respond.
What do you think?
Mike

Two more MONSTER Heritage Retail Breaks

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