1803 Dollar - Your thoughts on the grade

Windycity

Take a look at this 1803 dollar and tell me your guess on the grade. Will send in tomorrow on the 15 day turnaround.

Shamika

I can't tell you if it's authentic, but if it is I'd grade it AU-55. There appear to be hairlines all over the obverse and I see several rim dings.

toyonakataro

EF45?

Betta285

i'd say 53, but thoes hairlines could drop it a few

JrGMan2004

Except for the hairlines, I like the overall look of the coin... purrty...

joecool

I say AU-50......

nankraut

I dunno....If you're sending it to PCGS, they may body-bag it for exscessive cleaning, re-toning, or counterfeit? IMHO. I'm not sure it's real-would have to look at it in person.

numobri

I think it might make an AU50,it's a shoo'in XF45(imo).Rim bumps look bad.

Coconut

I say XF-45....

BigD5

Probably an auish coin that the services will still slab with the hairlines and rim dings, but they'll knock it down to xf/45.

That is, of course, if the hairlines aren't very excessive, and from the image they look like they may very well be excessive.

Still a very decent, well detailed example.

dorkkarl

au details, cleaned, rim ding. for me, it's a xf-40 coin.

K S

ealandg

AU50. The hits and the dings will bring it down. Reverse is a little weak. Could end up XF, but I think it deserves AU.

Dennis88

XF-45 or AU-50

Dennis

SethChandler

1) Fake

or

2) BB- Alt. Surfaces

From a scan, that is.

numobri

Looks real to me.

BB252

prooflike

I like it, it has a 'historic' look to it. Since it has retoned, it may just get really dinged for hairlines rather than BB'ed.

BillJones

The main thing this coin has going for it is that it has a lot of "meat" or detail. Beyond, it's loaded with problems.

The coin was cleaned with an abrasive at one time that hairlined it. Then it either toned on its own or someone tried to hurry up the process. If I were a betting man, I'd vote for "hurried up the process." Before the "numismatists" messed with it, it picked up a few rim dings. I'm not a fan of any of these problems which means that I would not a high bidder on this coin.

It's not horrible, but it's no gem either. I'd say it's got a 50-50 chance beween a "quiet" net grade of EF-40 or maybe even a 45 or a body bag for AT or altered surfaces.

coinlieutenant

I bet that if it is real, which I would say it is, they would slabe that coin. PCGS is fairly loose on bust dollars. I saw one a year ago that was obviously cleaned in a holder.

John

ealandg

Yup. As long as the cleaning is old and it has retoned OK, they tend to be kinda generous with cleaning.

Gemini

XF 40-45

Windycity

I'll let you all know as soon as PCGS renders an opinion. My guess is XF-40 - rim dents keep it from grading higher. I am quite certain it isn't fake but less certain what the rim dent will mean.

numobri

Windycity;

I'll bet you $25.00 that your coin comes back XF45 or better.

If you win,It's a free slabbing.

If you lose,your in.

Numobri

Windycity

Numobri,

I hope you're right... will let you know.

Windycity

LincolnCentMan

Me no ex-spirt, but me say AU50.

David

Blade

Looks AU50 to me. Nice coin.

BillJones

<< <i>Me no ex-spirt, but me say AU50. >>







<< <i>Looks AU50 to me. Nice coin. >>



Come on guys! Rim nicks and cleaning. Those two factors do not an AU-50 make.

If you guys let you standards slip like this, pretty soon the stuff in ACG and ITC holders will be just fine.

Letting the coin doctors and crooks fool inexperienced collectors is one thing. Dropping your standards down their level is another.

jcping

Body Bag

BurritoGrande

I think that at best it has AU50 details, maybe a little less. I think the rim bumps and the polishing will be the kiss of death though