Opinion of SEGS and ANACS

Brianruns10

I have a pair of coins, I am curious about. One is a 1911-D "weak D" Quarter Eagle graded by SEGS as XF-40. The other is 1922 No-D Strong Reverse Lincoln cent graded by ANACS as F-12. I've heard SEGS got some bad reviews (though not as bad as ACG-don't worry, I don't own any of those!), but what's the overall opinion of these two agencies, and would you recommend that I crack them and get them regraded by PCGS. Also, I've never submitted to PCGS before, but what's their policy on anything other than original-I understand they're quite strict in this matter. SEGS appraised the 1911-D as having been cleaned, so I would hate to send it to PCGS only to get it in a bodybag. I would appreciate any help any of you can offer.
Best,
BR

ealandg

Don't send the cleaned coin to PCGS. They will just bag it. Send it to ANACS.

I am trying to cross a SEGS 1798 bust dollar right now that is in XF45 (and looks it), but has some heavy adjustment marks. I will be interested to see how it comes back...

Wolf359

ANACS over SEGS any day of the week. Ditto on the PCGS submission, they will bodybag in a heartbeat.

BigD5

Ditto wolf above, but I wouldn't bother doing anything with the Segs coin until you feel the need to sell. No sense spending money on submissions if you don't have to. Segs does do an ok job on attributions, but that's about all I'll give them credit for......I do like their holder also.

TWODOGS

I like ANACS. It does seem like they have tightened up some, though.

JrGMan2004

From what I've heard from people, ANACS has gotten better with their grading, still a little looser than PCGS, but not by so much as to be a real problem... buy the coin not the insert...

jdimmick

I agree, no sense in wasting money submitting the 11-d, However, the ANACS 22 No D if original should holder fine. In fact, some of the recent lower graded (good thru fine) 22 No D's that I have seen in ANACS holders were of better quality than the PCGS counterparts.

And that is coming from someone who is Pro-pcgs and also my service of choice!

paigowjohnny

I've been buying quite a few ANACS Morgans and Walkers lately, which I crack to upgrade my raw sets. On the whole, I'm getting more and more satisfied with what I'm seeing on their grade calls...I feel every one of these I've bought are accurately graded.

I've been told by a couple dealers that ANACS is particularly tight/fair on copper.

ANACS may not be as market acceptable as PCGS or NGC, but IMHO they are doing a quality job of grading...and if you use anything but their economy service (which takes FOREVER)..their service is great. If you want a nicecoin for a collection that you plan to hold onto and aren't worried about flipping for an immediate profit....ANACS is worth looking at both in buying and submitting.

No vote on SEGS...never bought or submitted.

merz2

I have to agree with the majority.

Merc

That 1922 no D cent in an ANACS holder sounds like a great coin. This is the one you want. ANACS will only certify the real 1922 plain cents (die #2) They do not consider the weak reverse 1922 no D a true no D since it was caused by a dies where the D would fill in and out. On some, there is still a faint D.

Myqqy

I'm impressed by the fact that ealandg has a 1798 bust dollar in XF- holy smokes, that must be one cool coin!

Pushkin

On small cents my experience with SEGS is they grade one to two points higher than PCGS (probably closer to two - so treat SEGS as raw or worse on small cents) on MS. ANACS is usually right on with PCGS, and sometimes tougher. Again, as others have said, forget about sending a cleaned coin to PCGS - its DOA and you are out some $$.

ealandg

Well my bust dollar is nice, but it isn't that nice. It is a 10 arrows, not a small eagle and has some pretty heavy adjustment marks. The obverse is lovely, however. I am anxious to see how PCGS treats it...

solid

I have never bought a SEGS-graded coin, but am curious as to the exact dimesions of their holder.

Can somebody measure one for me?

Thanks, Ken

Russ

<< <i>Can somebody measure one for me? >>



3 1/4 x 2 7/16

Russ, NCNE

solid

Thanks, Russ

BillJones

<< <i>I have never bought a SEGS-graded coin, but am curious as to the exact dimesions of their holder.

Can somebody measure one for me?

Thanks, Ken >>



I have not bothered to measure them, but I'll tell that SEGS holders will not fit comfortably in NGC boxes, which is pain.

As for some other questions.

- I'll take ANACS over SEGS any day. I've found that ANACS slabs are much easier to sell, even when the coin involved has been net graded.

- I'd certify ANY 1911-D quarter eagle. There are bad ones out there, certification by a reliable service that can spot counterfeits is a plus when it comes time to sell it.

koynekwest

Gonna go against the grain here. SEGS does a fine job of grading IMO and their holders are the best.

291fifth

Over the past few years the market acceptability of SEGS has declined and that of ANACS has risen. The gold coin would probably be more salable in a net graded ANACS holder. The ANACS Lincoln would be more saleable in a PCGS holder. Both of your coins may be properly graded but the "market" may not be willing to accept them as such.

dorkkarl

segs & anacs are both no less inconsistent than pcgs.

K S

keets

291fifth's market acceptance comment seems to be the same thing i've noticed. with that said, i think it's important for each collector to look at the coins holdered by any of the services to really make a fair judgement for themselves about the quality and reliability of the product. each service has it's niche, it's strenghts as well as weaknesses.

i feel ANACS can be very strict on some of their modern Proof designations and numerical grades, moreso than the benchmark PCGS/NGC holdered coins that dominate. they also have set the standard for step information on the insert with Jefferson Nickels, though i like the way SEGS tries to assist the collector with notations like "5565" and so on. both companies will holder cleaned coins and net-grade with a notation and seem to attribute properly, especially ANACS. Larry from SEGS is at many of the local shows i attend and he has always been helpful and generous with his time, plus he carts along boxes of coins for everyone to look at!!!

bottom line for me is that i look at as many coins as possible in all holders, even ACG, and make my judgement on what i see, not what people tell me. the plusses and minusses add up more accurately that way and my dollars go to whoever appeases me. simple, really.

al h.

mintluster

SEGS holders are the best I think. I like the PCGS slab but I wish they would put the info on top like the SEGS slab.
I don't like the SEGS insert though....
I have seen some fairly graded stuff from SEGS as well, but have never sent anything in myself.

RobJoyce1921dVAMguy

No doubt SEGS holders are the best on the market. I love the top label so I can see the information without pulling them from the boxes.

I also like their VAM / variety attributions. They really go out of their way to label information when known / requested and Larry Briggs is one of the better VAM guys out there. PCGS needs to do more VAM labeling!!!

I won't shy away from them because of the market acceptance, I look at the coin inside. Unfortunately, the name on the plastic means a lot to some so the cold reality is same coin in a PCGS holder sells for more. Can't say I've seen ANACS holders sell for more than SEGS with similar coins but from this thread, some people do think they at least should.

I use both services and am happy, in general, with both.

Rob

MJPHELAN

Since I only collect Jeffersons at this time, I'll give my opinion related to this series. SEGS is very fair with step count and description of steps. If they call it full steps (no nicks etc.) it will cross to PCGS. I have seen many 5 full steps coins in ANACS holders with large bridges or nicks that would not be called full steps at other services.

Mark

mrearlygold

ANACS is ok especially for authenticating and net grading repaired and cleaned material. I bought an 1810 Half Eagle, Small Date, Small 5 which was appeared to be repaired a long time ago.

What a great rarity to be relegated to a mylar flip becuase of that. The coin is choice AU but has that problem. So off it went to ANACS where it was described as AU surfaces, repaired, NET EF.

Not a cheap coin by any stretch and although I would have had no problem keeping it in raw form, the customer wanted it slabbed and so it's now slabbed.

Rgrds
TP