Look, there are going to be times when a dealer with a large inventory can share and educate the members of this board when it comes to varieties, errors, etc. etc.
There has to be a little wiggle room when it comes to such things. Toning on a Franklin that is in a dealer's stock does not constitute "education".
Die varieties of Chain cents, c'mon.....different story.
Let's just try to use common sense.
While I have eveyone's attention. Does anyone have a high grade 1861-O Half with the die crack that they could share a pic of? (Dealers OK, just don't mention it's for sale) Get the drift of what I'm trying to get across?
Great history on that coin if anyone cares to learn. This is what this board should be all about
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I think that the spirit of the post is the issue and can easily be discerned by even the casual reader. If the picture of the coin or information about the coin is interesting, historic, unusual, or educational, a post should be permissible here so long as the primary point of the post is what is interesting, historic, unusual, or educational. If the primary purpose of the post is to sell the coin, then it should not be posted here.
I find it not the least bit problematic that sellers like JBSteven, Coinguy1, Legend, and many others who are regular contributors and shapers of the online community have links to their websites and inventories on their sig lines. I think that should be allowed and encouraged. (Put it back, JB!)
I've seen probably 20 instances of this seller "trolling" his coins through this Forum looking for offers. Perhaps SM will finally put an end to this practice.
The whole purpose of "trolling" the coin through this Forum, is to avoid paying listing and/or final value fees to Ebay. If a member makes an offer after seeing the coin on this Forum, then the fees are avoided. He's admitted it, after having his hand called, on numerous occasions.
Well, there isn't much you can do about a coin that someone has that isn't listed for sale yet. I don't have a problem with someone posting a picture and then getting a PM asking if they want to sell it. What I don't like is when a thread is started by a collector along the lines of "show what you have in your collection" then a certain seller posts a bunch of coins he has on eBay with his eBay auctions linked in the sig line.
K6- Please read the top 2 posts on this page, by JB and SportsModerator. SM made it clear this is a prohibited action on these Forums. The coins are to be offered on the BS&T boards.
<< <i>Pat, there is always the PM button. That is quite a coin, even though I don't do Lincolns much. >>
I know... I know... I was just having some fun with you. (Actually I've used the PM function successfully with Morris and have always been impressed with the quality of coin upon its arrival.)
What about a forum member that starts a thread about a coin and then offers it for sale a day or two later on ebay and has his ebay auctions in his signature line with similiar coins for sale? And then repeats this with other coins several times a week? sort of like an on going advertisement. mike
No! That's what the BST Board is for. And the sneaky weasels that post coins and say here's a pretty coin and it's theirs on eBay are guilty of spamming too.
Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
I have to say that I think that the "reasonable man" guideline should apply. If it is shameless then you should know better. The thing is that everything is for sale one way or another for most of us. I have posted many times coins that arent for sale but I would sell if someone offered moon money.
Truthfully, I think that there are much better things to talk about. These are coins we are talking about, not national security affairs. One thing that I have noticed on this forum is that lots of people take things way too seriously in my opinion. So much negativity and conflict, it can make you sick. I can see why so many people need to "take breaks" from the forum. Sounds a little crazy doesnt it. This hobby is supposed to be a stress RELIEVER, not producer.
I know everyone has different personalities and opinions that they are entitled to, but come on! There are subtle marketing and selling of coins that goes on this forum that pushes the lines but we tend to police ourselves pretty well. A simple PM to the blatantly offending party is more than enough.
John, you are right this is a hobby and this forum should be relaxing. However, it is not relaxing when it becomes nothing more than a storefront for a select number of eBay sellers.
PMs were sent to the offending parties, and they basically responded that they would do as they pleased.
<< <i>This hobby is supposed to be a stress RELIEVER, not producer. >>
I agree, John. But the truth of it is (as far as I'm privy to it) is this hobby is one of the most contentious activities I have ever been involved in. It amazes me.
I was thinking just the other night about how much is said about introducing young people to numismatics and expanding the hobby etc. I really am torn on whether I would introduce a child of mine (or anyone elses) to this weird world.
I hate to be that negative. But, there are so many pitfalls. So many seriously out of sync things about it. There are great people involved--that's a given, but sometimes the winds do blow in strange and bitter ways.
Sometimes I feel it's "Beware, ye who enter here."
But then again, I'm a coin collector, you know? I don't feel I ever even had a choice. The coins called--I had to listen.
Wish I could respond more, but I am going golfing in a few minutes (where I hope to shoot VERY LOW )
Here is a quickie.
K6. I understand and agree. The question is whether or not guilty parties were posting stuff as for sale on this forum or falling into the "grey area"?
Clankeye. I have thought alot on the topic you posted and would love to continue our discussion later. For now, the coins are quiet... the LINKS are calling!!!! I do live on the Monterey Peninsula.... Golf's Mecca!!!
Wish me luck and I will talk with you all after 18...
<< <i>John, you are right this is a hobby and this forum should be relaxing. However, it is not relaxing when it becomes nothing more than a storefront for a select number of eBay sellers. >>
Am I missing something, or isn't there a moderator to watch that sort of stuff..????? Why is it left to a forum member to be the "police"?
Hey D-Troll, Morris listed this coin a week after the last post to this thread.
Here's another clue for you: Morris is a well respected seller here who sells quality material, and most of us have his auctions bookmarked. You, on the other hand, sell garbage in gold label PCI slabs, and have even sold NTC slabs.
You grunt. He trolls his coins through this Forum, in an effort to avoid paying Ebay listing and final value fees. Plenty of us are tired of him breaking the rules of this Forum. You don't know crap about what you "think" you know.
Really? Should I start posting some of the crappy Franklins you were selling in NTC slabs early last year? You know I saved several of those auctions and can post them on my website if you really want to start messing with me. Just because the auctions expired on eBay doesn't mean that certain people, like me for example, didn't archive them to throw back in your face when you make a stupid comment like this, DTROLL, or should I say bumperone?
Lou-Seal, you are still the ONLY Member of this Forum to ever attempt to use another Member's pedigree submission results to build your credibility.
Plenty of us on this Forum SAW you post the pedigree results of another Member and attempt to take credit for those grades. Pffffff.... More than a little pathetic!
You know what is really amusing? When someone with sixth grade comprehension skills attempts to tell someone else they're stupid.
Doops, we went through this with DCAM/bumperone last year. Sorry if you weren't around to see it. The fact is, bumperone is DCAM. I don't need to prove it, it was proved here last year.
Now run along and start making up next weeks item descriptions, you know, the "this is an auction not an approval service"....
<< <i>You know what is really amusing? When someone with sixth grade comprehension skills attempts to tell someone else they're stupid.
Doops, we went through this with DCAM/bumperone last year. Sorry if you weren't around to see it. The fact is, bumperone is DCAM. I don't need to prove it, it was proved here last year.
where was it proven ? , i said proven.....huh ? irrefutably ? come on,now your just handing off on the first down now......heading towards a total shut out arent you ?
Now run along and start making up next weeks item descriptions, you know, the "this is an auction not an approval service".... >>
if you think we are "ebay dealers", heh heh..you are a one track not in the know whining wannabe
ebay may account for 2-3% of our years' volume and cameos,etc is only about 20% of our overall business. we do slab and provide into the market more 50-70 proofs and cams that anyone else and have been since the doors of ngc and pcgs opened. we prop this market
it's generally regarded by us as a token to the nice collectors out there to add/build further clientele to a small degree.
also, you know what ? ebay is an AUCTION forum,not a retail trading place many use it as...
Well then doops, how come you aren't listed with the ANA? Don't see the ANA mentioned anywhere. If you run such a good outfit, telling us about your ANA affiliation shouldn't be a problem, should it?
Hey K6AZ, wasnt Diane Hagar a member of the ANA? And are you implying that if Doops AKA Pepperdoodles is not a member of the ANA that he is any better or any worse than those on EBAY who represent that they are members? I know lots of EBAY sellers who represent that they are ANA members who I would not buy from. Would you buy from all of them?
In an insane society, a sane person will appear to be insane.
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There has to be a little wiggle room when it comes to such things. Toning on a Franklin that is in a dealer's stock does not constitute "education".
Die varieties of Chain cents, c'mon.....different story.
Let's just try to use common sense.
While I have eveyone's attention. Does anyone have a high grade 1861-O Half with the die crack that they could share a pic of? (Dealers OK, just don't mention it's for sale) Get the drift of what I'm trying to get across?
Great history on that coin if anyone cares to learn. This is what this board should be all about
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I'm glad this one is safely locked into one of my personal sets. I just love showing off this beautifully toned endroller Franklin.
BTW, the Franklins in my sig line sets are not for sale.
I find it not the least bit problematic that sellers like JBSteven, Coinguy1, Legend, and many others who are regular contributors and shapers of the online community have links to their websites and inventories on their sig lines. I think that should be allowed and encouraged. (Put it back, JB!)
Robert
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I've seen probably 20 instances of this seller "trolling" his coins through this Forum looking for offers. Perhaps SM will finally put an end to this practice.
peacockcoins
<< <i>Pat, there is always the PM button. That is quite a coin, even though I don't do Lincolns much. >>
I know... I know... I was just having some fun with you. (Actually I've used the PM function successfully with Morris and have always been impressed with the quality of coin upon its arrival.)
peacockcoins
Truthfully, I think that there are much better things to talk about. These are coins we are talking about, not national security affairs. One thing that I have noticed on this forum is that lots of people take things way too seriously in my opinion. So much negativity and conflict, it can make you sick. I can see why so many people need to "take breaks" from the forum. Sounds a little crazy doesnt it. This hobby is supposed to be a stress RELIEVER, not producer.
I know everyone has different personalities and opinions that they are entitled to, but come on! There are subtle marketing and selling of coins that goes on this forum that pushes the lines but we tend to police ourselves pretty well. A simple PM to the blatantly offending party is more than enough.
Vr.,
John
siliconvalleycoins.com
PMs were sent to the offending parties, and they basically responded that they would do as they pleased.
<< <i>This hobby is supposed to be a stress RELIEVER, not producer. >>
I agree, John. But the truth of it is (as far as I'm privy to it) is this hobby is one of the most contentious activities I have ever been involved in. It amazes me.
I was thinking just the other night about how much is said about introducing young people to numismatics and expanding the hobby etc. I really am torn on whether I would introduce a child of mine (or anyone elses) to this weird world.
I hate to be that negative. But, there are so many pitfalls. So many seriously out of sync things about it. There are great people involved--that's a given, but sometimes the winds do blow in strange and bitter ways.
Sometimes I feel it's "Beware, ye who enter here."
But then again, I'm a coin collector, you know? I don't feel I ever even had a choice. The coins called--I had to listen.
Clankeye
Here is a quickie.
K6. I understand and agree. The question is whether or not guilty parties were posting stuff as for sale on this forum or falling into the "grey area"?
Clankeye. I have thought alot on the topic you posted and would love to continue our discussion later. For now, the coins are quiet... the LINKS are calling!!!! I do live on the Monterey Peninsula.... Golf's Mecca!!!
Wish me luck and I will talk with you all after 18...
vr.,
John
siliconvalleycoins.com
<< <i>John, you are right this is a hobby and this forum should be relaxing. However, it is not relaxing when it becomes nothing more than a storefront for a select number of eBay sellers. >>
Am I missing something, or isn't there a moderator to watch that sort of stuff..????? Why is it left to a forum member to be the "police"?
<< <i>DCAM, perhaps I am missing it but I don't see that 68-D Lincoln on his eBay auctions. >>
K6AZ- Perhaps you should check again..........
'68-D Lincoln
Pay attention and it becomes very transparent.
Here's another clue for you: Morris is a well respected seller here who sells quality material, and most of us have his auctions bookmarked. You, on the other hand, sell garbage in gold label PCI slabs, and have even sold NTC slabs.
Don't play with fire and you won't get burnt.
Nobody here would trust this person with a coin.....
Nobody would trust him with money.......
Yet Morris is very trustable, and is somebody I recommend.....
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
Plenty of us on this Forum SAW you post the pedigree results of another Member and attempt to take credit for those grades. Pffffff.... More than a little pathetic!
<< <i>
<< <i>DCAM, perhaps I am missing it but I don't see that 68-D Lincoln on his eBay auctions. >>
K6AZ- Perhaps you should check again..........
'68-D Lincoln
Pay attention and it becomes very transparent.
fact is, people here will trust me with very expensive coins, but will they trust you?
No, because who trusts a troll????
Don't you have some more PCI auctions to list Bumpertroll?
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
<< <i>Well DTROLL, are you going to admit to selling NTC garbage or do I start posting auction pages? >>
i DARE you to post one single solitary ebay auction page from dcamfranklin
double dog, at that. you aint got the nads
Auction
<< <i>Yuk yuk yuk... one of his gold label PCI auctions:
Auction >>
yuk yuk yuk ?
now just exactly what PROOF do you have to submit that steve carter bumperone is dcam ?
one tiny piece of irrefutable evidence please, just one
<< <i>You want proof? Ask the seller a question through eBay. >>
that dont tell anyone anything...are we punting now on 2nd down ?
pompus,showy,half knowledged but NOT stupid are you.....
come on with it or shut up
Doops, we went through this with DCAM/bumperone last year. Sorry if you weren't around to see it. The fact is, bumperone is DCAM. I don't need to prove it, it was proved here last year.
Now run along and start making up next weeks item descriptions, you know, the "this is an auction not an approval service"....
<< <i>You know what is really amusing? When someone with sixth grade comprehension skills attempts to tell someone else they're stupid.
Doops, we went through this with DCAM/bumperone last year. Sorry if you weren't around to see it. The fact is, bumperone is DCAM. I don't need to prove it, it was proved here last year.
where was it proven ? , i said proven.....huh ? irrefutably ? come on,now your just handing off on the first down now......heading towards a total shut out arent you ?
Now run along and start making up next weeks item descriptions, you know, the "this is an auction not an approval service".... >>
if you think we are "ebay dealers", heh heh..you are a one track not in the know whining wannabe
ebay may account for 2-3% of our years' volume and cameos,etc is only about 20% of our overall business. we do slab and provide into the market more 50-70 proofs and cams that anyone else and have been since the doors of ngc and pcgs opened. we prop this market
it's generally regarded by us as a token to the nice collectors out there to add/build further clientele
to a small degree.
also, you know what ? ebay is an AUCTION forum,not a retail trading place many use it as...
The proof in the pudding with who you are clearly comes out in the problems you have had on eBay. Let's take a look:
pepperdoodles negative feedback received
pepperdoodles negative feedback left
<< <i>I suppose this is where you try to tell us you submit more coins to PCGS than anyone. Total BS, been there done that.
The proof in the pudding with who you are clearly comes out in the problems you have had on eBay. Let's take a look:
pepperdoodles negative feedback received
pepperdoodles negative feedback left >>
why, thank you, you little devil, for you have condensed for the crowd what they ALL should read
you,or should i say the persona of you is epitomized in both received and left feedbacks
i URGE and ENCOURAGE everyone to read what those feedbacks say and use common sense
we're a rare coin firm doing a little ebay biz and unfortunately your going to have schemers like those
does'nt affect me, i'm glad you posted that. it shows the essense of what is on ebay we have to deal with