I've got an 1864 2 cent PCGS AU58 that is rotated 180 degrees. I bought it in 1991 off a local bid board here in San Diego. The only reason I bought it was because of the rotated reverse. Before the days of the internet, I wrote to Coins magazine and asked what kind of premium a coin like that demanded. They said it was pretty common, and that the premium should be no more than about 10 dollars.
I bought an XF 1861 dime a couple of days ago. It was 40% or so rotated and the seller wanted a premium. I bought it because I knew it wasn't real: it was a contemporary counterfeit. Flipped it for a quick 50% profit to a happy collector. How often do you get to pick someone off by buying a fake coin as real? Gotta love this business!
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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<< <i>I bought an XF 1861 dime a couple of days ago. It was 40% or so rotated and the seller wanted a premium. I bought it because I knew it wasn't real: it was a contemporary counterfeit. Flipped it for a quick 50% profit to a happy collector. How often do you get to pick someone off by buying a fake coin as real? Gotta love this business! >>
I have this counterfeit also. It's a well known one.
Hi RR, It was on eBay....Sorry, but I had already deleated it from my watch list. Lakescape was the winning bidder at $216.50. He seems to like tough errors and bids strong. Fred W. has it on his "Did Not Win" list...I think he put in a bid of $150. Maybe he can provide you with the link.
A friend of mine says he just found the same coin in a red pack that is 130 degrees rotated reverse.
Here's an 1861 silver 3 cent piece whose dies did a 180. Die rotation like this are not unusual on 19th century coins, but maybe some collectors are going to make something of them now.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Depends on the series and to what degree. 180 degree rotations are cool in any case so I think these will always bring at least marginal premiums. However, some series, i.e. Buffalo nickels, have a huge percentage of coins displaying some degree of die rotation.
I have a 180% rotated die Delaware quarter PCGS MS63 and a New Jersey Quarter that is 120% rotated die in PCGS MS62. The New Jersey quarter looks like George Washington and the boat are going over a waterfall.
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well, Russ, some guys in this thread do, or rather don't. the Washington below netted me quite a tidy profit!!
al h.
Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>I bought an XF 1861 dime a couple of days ago. It was 40% or so rotated and the seller wanted a premium. I bought it because I knew it wasn't real: it was a contemporary counterfeit. Flipped it for a quick 50% profit to a happy collector. How often do you get to pick someone off by buying a fake coin as real? Gotta love this business! >>
I have this counterfeit also. It's a well known one.
Ray
Gandyjai
Gandyjai, where did you see this at? Have a link to it?
Thanks,
It was on eBay....Sorry, but I had already deleated it from my watch list.
Lakescape was the winning bidder at $216.50.
He seems to like tough errors and bids strong.
Fred W. has it on his "Did Not Win" list...I think he put in a bid of $150.
Maybe he can provide you with the link.
A friend of mine says he just found the same coin in a red pack that is 130 degrees rotated reverse.
Gandyjai
Depends on the series and to what degree. 180 degree rotations are cool in any case so I think these will always bring at least marginal premiums. However, some series, i.e. Buffalo nickels, have a huge percentage of coins displaying some degree of die rotation.
Hey Gandyjai, if your friend is ever interested in selling his rotated Ike let me know or have him send me an email at RotatedDies@hotmail.com