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BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
what do you think this coin grades?

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  • I say 64, too many marks on reverse for 65.
  • I can't tell if the obverse lines in the field are

    die polish (probably) or cleaning



    you should have put in a couple more options

    bodybagged - cleaned
    AU 58

  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS-64 - Rim Nicks and other surface contact marks may keep it below MS-65.. Beautiful 1934 Peace!! image

    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    it's in an NGC holder (for another 16 hours or so image ) and Mint State (according to them)

    most of the lines you see are die polish, however maybe a few of them are hairlines? image

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  • 63 or 64, being an optimist I voted 64 in the poll.
    Joe
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    I said 64 because the polish & rev marks will preclude a higher grade I think. Actually the rev digs are kinda deep for a 64 but that's what's probably on the slab label. I'd feel better with it as a 63 personally. Looks like a nice strike though.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • merz2merz2 Posts: 2,474
    Based on my limited knowledge and comparing it to some that I have already graded,I'd say MS64.
    Don
    Registry 1909-1958 Proof Lincolns
  • WondoWondo Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭
    I don't know squat - give it a 66!
    Wondo

  • I give it a 65. The strike and luster are very good, Liberty's cheek and the high points are very clean. The reverse is not so baggy that this coin can't grade gem.
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭
    I think the hair detail is outstanding.

    MS65
    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
  • 63 in a NGC holder... 62 in PCGS.....

    Always hard to tell with a photo..
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    her cheek is indeed excellent, it looks like the obverse rim took hits above the R, the B, and the 9, instead of many hits in the middle of the coin, which bodes well for the obverse grade.

    The reverse, there's the rim tic above D and lots of little pecks on his wing, the pic doesn't show it well but the rock is nice and frosty, which I like image

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  • zennyzenny Posts: 1,547 ✭✭
    the whole coin looks nice and frosty, Baley.

    65


    z
  • wingedlibertywingedliberty Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭
    Solid 64. Beautiful coin
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    I voted 64, might go 65 in a PCGS holder though.
  • Just a guess for me but I went 62. This is what I get from the pic. Good eye appeal and Luster

    Obverse: Don't know if its the plastic or not but right in front of the nose on the feild is some weird marks. Above the R and B in Liberty is some rim marks and Below the 9 in the date.
    Reverse: Several marks : biggest being under the E in E-pluribus , some marks in the wings, one under the LL of Dollar, The U by the head of the bird has some marks on it. The one thing that caught my eye was the weakness of Peace on the bottom. Looks really worn. Is that a Weak strike or just the pic? The contrast of the leaves by the feet and word PEACE is really distracting.

    Thats what I see.

    PURPLE!
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    hey Baley

    i graded the picture at MS65, though i'll admit it took me about three seconds longer than the requisite seven for the staffs at NGC/PCGS. unlike some of the previous replies, i find absolutely nothing on the obverse to be critical about----my eyes are drawn easily back to the beautiful rendition of Liberty. the few scattered contacts on the reverse are easily forgotten by what appears as a nice strike and wonderful luster.

    al h.image
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks everyone for your votes and comments, I personally think this is an MS64 coin but could also justify MS63, and naturally was very pleased to acquire it for MS62+ money. Nice job purple73 and peaceman, you saw what NGC likely saw when evaluating the coin, with enough scrutiny I guess it's only a 62, however now that it's cracked out of the holder and housed in an album, it must speak for itself and it's still saying to me, MS63++ and Original! Thanks again, hope you enjoyed the poll!

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  • That picure really makes it look MS-65. I would easily pay 65 money on ebay with that picture.

    Cameron Kiefer
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    thanks Cameron, I must admit it's mighty gratifying to see that the average (mean and median) vote is MS64 or so, and the mode is MS65, when this coin costs about a hundred dollars in an MS62 holder and would be easily twice that in MS64 and nearly a thousand dollar coin as a slabbed MS65!

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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    hey Baley

    it seems you buy coins the same way i do. i always look and look and look before i buy, rarely making a spur of the moment purchase. i would much rather have a coin holdered at MS62-----of which i have several-----which has smashing eye appeal than an MS65 which can have doubt cast upon it's insert. there really is no downside in that fashion.

    al h.image
  • Hahahahhah! I got it right! That was the first time I ever did anything like that! I Got a A.N.A grading book and started reading it about 4 days ago and picked up on a few things about luster and bag marks and such. This was a total guess.....but I did use a little bit of what I read about coinage ( basics ) to determine my decision.

    Beginners Luck All The Way!

    PURPLE!


    P.S. can anyone explain to me with Frankies what is a great strike compared to a weak strike?
  • Did you crack it Bailey? I saw the cracking thread and the slab was open!image

    Cameron Kiefer
  • No way! I said 65. That's an incredible strike and the only obverse mark I caught was the rim ding. Can't believe NGC was that harsh.

    Mojo
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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    hey keets, yep, I'll patiently wait for what I'm looking for, it usually eventually shows up. as for: there really is no downside that's what I like: I'd gladly crack all my coins out of the plastic, each is worth at least as much out of it's holder.

    Purple, nice job, sounds like you have a good eye for these details! I hear the services are Hiring! image

    Cameron, yep, it's out of it's holder now, in the Library of Coins album, where the coin thinks of itself as a VERY PQ MS63!

    Mojo, neither can I! Gotta say, I'm liking NGC's recent grading! that is, as the buyer after the fact, not as the submitter!

    Last batch i sent to them, each coin was undergraded by a point and 2 came back in bodybags they didn't deserve!

    image

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  • HI, I have some real nice 63 franklins( roll ) i wouldnt mine selling a few but not sure what they are worth to me they would grade ms 60+ easy some higer , also i have proof nickles and fs nickels let me know what you are looking for or i can sent you some pics or a list , but..... i need some help with there value,? the pcgs guide says they are worth alot more than the graysheets ( i am waiting for help explanig that one) Thanks,DAVE
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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mojo, was that supposed to be a PM? Anyway, no thanks, but good luck!

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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    another grade the coin poll that some folks might not have voted yet, interesting results!

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  • NumismanicNumismanic Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    Nice coin Baley. I voted MS63 before looking at the grade. Looks very high end for a 62.

    Don
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    thanks, love the surfaces on the coin, certainly no need for a "bath" on this one!

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  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    baley, that coin is definitely NOT higher than 62. in fact, i voted for 60 before i saw the grade, but actually, i think it's a slider.

    it's the old argument of "friction" vs. "wear". your excellent digi-pic clearly shows friction, which plastic co's try to differentiate from "wear". that coin's a slider all day every day.

    that said, there's no real difference in price from 58 - 62, so that's probably why it got the benefit of the doubt. but plastic co's have established a terrible criteria for allowing mint-state grades, & this coin is a perfect example of a slider gone ms

    no, not bashing plastic, but by golly, people need to learn what they're buying.

    K S
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    I guessed right. I thought it was au58 but that wasn't a choice so I went with au62.
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LMAO dorkkarl. image

    As always, please sell me your "slider" peace dollars that look just like this one. I NEED your AU58s in a 1924-S, 1927-S, 1928, 1934-S, and several other dates, and will pay you AU58 money for them.

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  • greghansengreghansen Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭
    Well I graded it before I read the rest of the replies or saw the grade. Guess I'd better fess up that I missed it pretty badly. Don't make me admit what I graded it. I was way too high. Now I'm kind of cringing wondering what NGC did to my recent submission which included 3 or 4 Peace Dollars. If you got that for mS62+ money, it was a very good deal. Very nice coin, IMO.

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  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭


    << <i>As always, please sell me your "slider" peace dollars that look just like this one. I NEED your AU58s in a 1924-S, 1927-S, 1928, 1934-S, and several other dates, and will pay you AU58 money for them. >>

    baley, that's exactly my point. THOSE dates would NOT be graded the same as your 1935 image

    i stand by my previous comments.

    K S
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    yeah, baby. I "guessed" it as a 62. I concur that it does look to be a bit "busy". I'm seeing a darker 'color' on the cheek. Friction? But as they say, "you can't grade an image."
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    THOSE dates would NOT be graded the same as your 1935

    please explain. are better dates graded differently? image

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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    dorkkarl I'm still waiting for your clarification of your comments and your offer to sell me your sliders image

    in the meantime, here's a recent addition to the album, formerly a "pcgs" coin and now a "baley's album" coin, are you telling me that they grade this date to different standards than a more common date, or not?

    image

    can anyone else comment on this issue? I am familiar with the idea that different dates/mms "come with" different strike and surface characteristics but not this "different standards for rare dates" thing

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  • God I only WISH they graded key dates like commons......

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