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Haig Koshkarian Type Collection


The Haig Koshkarian Type Collection is being auctioned by ANR in Baltimore.I was told the coins were on view in Long Beach.This is a nice collection of coins.They were all slabbed by NGC.
I would like to hear about the grading.Were the coins maxed out,properly graded or does it even matter?

Stewart Blay

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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    The coins are pictured on line now.
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭
    They all look fairly graded.
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  • an MS62 Chain Cent. Whoa!
  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They were all slabbed by NGC.

    i'm kinda turned off being they were all graded NGC - I dunno - why are they targeting every coin to NGC? In my opinion not too bright as PCGS will always command higher prices ....whateverimage



    Marc
  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They were all slabbed by NGC.

    i'm kinda turned off being they were all graded NGC - I dunno - why are they targeting every coin to NGC? In my opinion not too bright as PCGS will always command higher prices ....whateverimage



    Marc >>




    They wanted to auction them this year!
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  • SethChandlerSethChandler Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭✭
    WOW! What a 1797 Half. I can't imagine a better coin.....
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  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It has some VERY nice copper.
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  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They wanted to auction them this year!image oh ok - now I got it!!


  • Wow! Look at the golden-red color on this Braided Head.
  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    The 1795 half has my heart. image

    And the 1975 Draped Bust dollar is a close second.
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  • The grading on some of these seems to be a stretch. This half is a 66*? OK it has nice toning but if this is a 66 my 66 is a 69! I predict many will go unsold if there are high reserves.

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This half is a 66*? OK it has nice toning but if this is a 66 my 66 is a 69!

    I've held the coin in my hand and looked at it under a good light. IMHO, the coin is not unreasonably graded. It should be AT LEAST a high end 65 in anyone's book. Perhaps, ohbaby, you have fallen into the trap of thinking that you can grade a coin from a picture?
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭


    << <i>They were all slabbed by NGC.

    i'm kinda turned off being they were all graded NGC - I dunno - why are they targeting every coin to NGC? In my opinion not too bright as PCGS will always command higher prices ....whateverimage



    Marc >>



    Could be he wanted them graded properly, but what would the owner know, he is obviously a novice collector compared to you. image

    The quality of the coins will carry the prices not the plastic.


  • << <i>The quality of the coins will carry the prices not the plastic. >>



    Yea, verily!
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would like to hear about the grading.Were the coins maxed out,properly graded or does it even matter?

    I think that the coins are all high end and desirable. People will be buying the coins for what they are, not for what plastic surrounds them. No doubt, once purchased, some will be cracked/crossed to PCGS holders (for those who really care about the plastic).
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  • I think it was a political decision to go w/ NGC, from what I hear. Some of the coins, especially the copper and early coins, are absolutely stunning!
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    By the way, you insiders may have some perspective on this...


    Did Haig Koshkarian actually have to pay for these coins to be slabbed by NGC? Did he have to wait the x number of days for the coins to be graded? Or is this some sort of marketing gig for NGC (or PCGS) in which the grading company competes to slab such a high profile collection for the exposure? And if so, are the graders aware that this is a "special" collection? Are the coins handled differently than other submissions? Or is a grader sitting in the grading chamber with his assignments grading state quarter, state quarter, state quarter, 1796 quarter (from HK collection), state quarter, state quarter, etc?
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think that the coins are all high end and desirable. People will be buying the coins for what they are, not for what plastic surrounds them.

    RYK - I've never seen a major collection that didn't have at least a few overgraded coins. What makes you think that this collection will be any different?
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RYK - I've never seen a major collection that didn't have at least a few overgraded coins. What makes you think that this collection will be any different?

    Andy-You are considerably more experienced than I. I suspect that some coins are overgraded. Perhaps, I few are undergraded. The coins have excellent eye appeal (at least in the photos), and I expect this will dictate the pricing, regardless of what the plastic holders say on them.
  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The 1795 half has my heart. image

    And the 1975 Draped Bust dollar is a close second. >>




    Ahh yes they are good picks. Add lot 1490 to this mix image

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coins have excellent eye appeal (at least in the photos), and I expect this will dictate the pricing, regardless of what the plastic holders say on them.

    My point is simply the obvious: Like any coin, a great coin may be overgraded and, as a result, overpriced.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • The rumor I heard was, that PCGS had been contacted to slab the collection with the Koshkarian Pedigree. But PCGS failed to return the phone call. So NGC got the submission. Just poor customer service? or some bitterness towards ANR?

    Just like all grading some the grades are right on and some are not. Very nice coins.

    I believe the 1797 Half (NORWEB) is tied with the Leland Rogers coin for the finest known, but the Rogers coin is considered the finest overall. Taking all factors into consideration. But that should in no way detract from this coin. It is SPECTACULAR!!!!!

    The 1793 Wreath is pretty amazing, also.

    The Chain Cent is overgraded. It's definitely not Unc. and has a few other minor problems, but considering it's an AMERI it's still a very nice coin.
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  • << <i>The Chain Cent is overgraded. It's definitely not Unc. and has a few other minor problems, but considering it's an AMERI it's still a very nice coin. >>


    DAMMIT!!! I just bid $80,000 for it!!! image
  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,625 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It really doesn't matter whether they're overgraded or not. Where are you going to find similar coins?

    Throw out the price guides, too. The 1873 quarter in MS62 will go at least 2x or more over the sheets.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It really doesn't matter whether they're overgraded or not. Where are you going to find similar coins?

    I could make a lot of money if I had enough customers thinking like that.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,625 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah you could make a lot of money if you had a roll of 1797 halves in 66 holders, too........
  • STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭

    ANDY - HAVE YOU SEEN ANY COINS UNDER GRADED ?

    Stewart
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ANDY - HAVE YOU SEEN ANY COINS UNDER GRADED ?

    STEWARTBLAY - You mean any coins, anywhere? Maybe one or two. image
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The quality of the coins will carry the prices not the plastic.

    absolutely true - while there are more than a few overgraded examples imho who cares is correct - these pieces are magnificant. I keep looking at the catalog then to the web site, and then back to the catalog the next day. What a wonderful experience for the consignor.



    Marc

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