Guess the grade on this 1869 Two Cent Piece. This one will be fun. :) Grade posted and PCGS BAGGING

Russ

Large images here:

Click for large obverse image.

Click for large reverse image.

The images are very accurate as to color, and show all the marks. Nothing hidden away.

Result just posted at PCGS. What do you think they slapped on the label?

There are a couple forum members that already know the grade. SSSSHHHH!!!!!

Russ, NCNE

Trooper

62 rd for me

mgoodm3

Au58. Little rub on motto and such obv? RB

tlhoy

PR 64
Glenn

Russ

Don't forget the color designation.

Russ, NCNE

Fairlaneman

Thinking BB on this one. What do I know though. I stink at picking out original looking copper coins.

Ken

tlhoy

<< <i>PR 64
Glenn >>



Red brown?
Glenn

Prometheus183

ok, since it's just for fun...

RB 61

MICHAELDIXON

Having seen some that were slabbed lately, I'd say MS62BN.

JohnZ

I see it as a proof also, but the dings on the reverse hold it to PR62.

I'm guessing it was once R, but turned a little darker in the slab.

edsondl

MS63RB

dorkkarl

ms-61. i hate color designations, but if you insist, i guess ms-61 rb.

K S

SethChandler

MS63RB

Russ

<< <i>MS63RB >>



edsondl,

You and I agree on what it should have graded.

Russ, NCNE

stman

PCGS said altered surfaces.

legacycoin

Definitely recolored.....

Stuart

Russ: the coin looks clearly to be a Red & Brown late die state coin (die cracks) that may have a bit of PVC damage and/or corrosion on the reverse at 6:00-7:00 and 2:00... and also a few contact marks which may have held it back...

So, while the coin has the eye appeal of an MS-63/64 I will guess that it was either net graded down to an AU-58 or perhaps body-bagged for the PVC/corrosion...

Therefore either AU-58 RB or bodybagged...

Russ

Stuart,

Not corrosion, planchet flaws.

Russ, NCNE

Placid

Wag of Au55

RBB617

First glance, MS62 rb. Second review, AU58 due to a couple of nicks and what I see as some rub on the WE.
Brian

Russ

Okay, everybody ready? Here is comes:

They graded it MS65BN!

No way in hell that coin is gem, and no way in hell it's brown! It is a pop 1/0, though.

It started as an NGC MS64RB. Submission history:

#1 - DNC (Min 63RB)
#2 - Bodybag, altered surfaces
#3 - MS65BN

World-class graders, my ass!

Russ, NCNE

Placid

Btw I thought the coin looked like a 64rb but tried to guess the oddball thing pcgs did to cause you to post.

Ace

MS 63RB . I would discount the nicks an the reverse on this old a coin,
and attribute a weak strike for the WE on the obverse

hookedoncoins

<< <i>Okay, everybody ready? Here is comes:

They graded it MS65BN!

No way in hell that coin is gem, and no way in hell it's brown! It is a pop 1/0, though.

It started as an NGC MS64RB. Submission history:

#1 - DNC (Min 63RB)
#2 - Bodybag, altered surfaces
#3 - MS65BN

World-class graders, my ass!

Russ, NCNE >>



If that is a MS65, than I have a MS63 that is in serious need of an upgrade.

PCGS really dropped the ball on this one.

originalisbest

Easily explained. It was a typo!

Russ

<< <i>PCGS really dropped the ball on this one. >>



In more ways than one. Let me repeat. World-class graders, my ass!

Russ, NCNE

sonofagunk

So what you going to do with it?

Russ

<< <i>So what you going to do with it? >>



It's a pop 1/0! Sell it for stupid money!

Nah, it'll go in my set.

Russ, NCNE

uofa1285

Now send it back in to cross it to a RB designation! (Would that be worth while?)

jeffnpcb

I would go for the stupid money and buy a 63 somewhere!!

Russ

<< <i>Now send it back in to cross it to a RB designation! (Would that be worth while?) >>



Doug,

Nah, it wouldn't be worthwhile, but it would be fun. MS65RB's are common, this is a pop 1/0!! POP TOP! Hey, that's what it's all about!

The thing that really pisses me off is that it took three submissions to get it graded. It didn't cross at MS63, (a point lower than NGC graded it), then it gets bodybagged, and now it's an MS65? This is utter BS.

Russ, NCNE

Placid

It might be brown now. Depending how long it sat at pcgs.

uofa1285

<< <i>...It didn't cross at MS63, (a point lower than NGC graded it), then it gets bodybagged, and now it's an MS65? This is utter BS. >>



So what's it like to not have possession of this coin for a YEAR while trying to cross it (assuming Economy service) three times?

Doug

dorkkarl

can you post a digi-pic of the whole slab???

K S

Russ

Doug,

I have pictures to look at. Actually, the first two times were regular, so it wasn't that long. This time, though, I put it on an economy submission with a bunch of other coins, so it was 82 days.

Russ, NCNE

zenny

Russ

I think you should offer to lend this coin to pcgs for the world series grading final round, (but only if they promise to put yet another grade on it before they send it back to you.)

z

Russ

<< <i>can you post a digi-pic of the whole slab??? >>



Karl,

The coin isn't back yet - grades just posted yesterday. The submission is on hold right now because I told them to send one of the other coins back to the grading room to try and get it right.

Russ, NCNE

sonofagunk

Looks RB to me, but maybe it didn't cross because PCGS didn't think it was RB?

If the min was 63RB, and they thought it was 65BN would they cross it or would they think that 65BN was "less than" 63RB?

Just thinking out loud.

Russ

<< <i>Looks RB to me, but maybe it didn't cross because PCGS didn't think it was RB? >>



That's possible. But then that doesn't explain the bodybag the second time.

Russ, NCNE

hookedoncoins

<< <i>Doug,

I have pictures to look at. Actually, the first two times were regular, so it wasn't that long. This time, though, I put it on an economy submission with a bunch of other coins, so it was 82 days.

Russ, NCNE >>



Maybe the coin's condition improved in the three months it was at PCGS.

dorkkarl

PCGS coins bring more money because they are the best! Only PCGS for me! That's why they're the best! They're worth more!

Wailstreetman

relayer

It seems the graders also play "guess the grade"

stman

So this is what happens with top pops and Registry coins huh? From bodybag to ms65. Keep playing the Registry folks it's all about the numbers. Oh, and the money. Some may not like what I've said but if this isn't proof of what a game all this is, and it might just make 1 person think about the next so called top pop they spend a ton of money on.

Fairlaneman

No 65 money from this guy !

I still say BB because of the reverse color and if not BB it sure does not look mint state from the pictures. By the way tomorrow I am going to the local coin shop and get a couple of these that he has graded correctly at AU and then they will Fly Off to PCGS quicker than the speed of light. Man I could use some cheap Gift Dollars.

Russ....damn you are truthful about the grade given and what your opinion was and that is cool.

Ken

boiler78

Seems like the original NGC grade was pretty accurate.