I have just been ripped of by an ebay seller

dlimb2 · January 26, 2004 3:56AM

Regarding the 1998 Kennedy Matte, looked nothing like the picture, which he said the coin would...also it would not grade a 60, it is a coin someone took out of the plactic and scratched...what can I do?

Wondo · January 26, 2004 3:57AM

return privledge?

UncleJoe · January 26, 2004 3:57AM

Link to auction would be helpful.

Joe.

timc67 · January 26, 2004 3:58AM

Did you pay for insurance? Or was it not offered.

nwcs · January 26, 2004 3:58AM

Return it if you can.

dorkkarl · January 26, 2004 3:59AM

learn from it.

K S

dlimb2 · January 26, 2004 4:03AM

How do you make a link?

dlimb2 · January 26, 2004 4:04AM

Yes I payed insurance.

UncleJoe · January 26, 2004 4:11AM

Link

As dorkkarl wrote:learn from it.

I never bid on these types of auctions because what you see is never what you get. The best set is always scanned and the worst sets are the ones that wind up in your mailbox.

Joe.

Wondo · January 26, 2004 4:12AM

Never buy any site unseen product without a return privledge!!!

Jody526 · January 26, 2004 4:13AM

What is the auction number?

goose3 · January 26, 2004 4:18AM

ok...

how did you pay for it? Credit Card? Check? Money Order?

nwcs · January 26, 2004 4:21AM

Well, the seller says no returns so this may be a painful lesson like when I bought 12 BU morgans from ebay when I first got back into collecting and found that all were AU and several were cleaned. Of course, I didn't learn that for several months...

dlimb2 · January 26, 2004 4:27AM

I just contacted him and he said I could return it...I am PIZZZED, he said in an email to me that the coin would look like the one in the picture which is linked above...He also said it would grade 68 or better and that he use to be a grader for one of the big ones and got sick of the politics...what a joke this guy is...this coin is scratched to HELL, not to mention looks nothing like the one in the auction.

goose3 · January 26, 2004 4:28AM

Make sure you send it back insured so he has to sign for it.

Wondo · January 26, 2004 4:29AM

Glad that you can get out of the situation with little lost money and lotsa education.

dlimb2 · January 26, 2004 4:30AM

Goose I payed with a credit card.

baccaruda · January 26, 2004 4:31AM

You're obviously lying. This is a POWER SELLER you're dealing with. Bid with confidence.

baccaruda · January 26, 2004 4:31AM

er, I mean POWER SCREWER (to quote Russ).

dlimb2 · January 26, 2004 4:31AM

He knows he lied, I kept all the emails he sent me...I asked him if he would like to see them.

dlimb2 · January 26, 2004 4:33AM

Thats the last for me...if it is not in a PCGS or NGC holder forget it.

ms70 · January 26, 2004 4:37AM

<< You're obviously lying. This is a POWER SELLER you're dealing with. Bid with confidence. >>

jdimmick · January 26, 2004 4:38AM

This guy should be neged, he obviously knew what he sent you!

DHeath · January 26, 2004 4:39AM

Dlimb2,

This'll PO you worse. I just sold this. It went pretty cheap because I didn't mention "matte" in the auction title. I was amazed. I bought it for $230 thinking I'd stolen it, and managed to lose $25.

joeyuk · January 26, 2004 4:41AM

Remember when trying to return an item to a unwilling seller that what you say on these boards can reflect positivly or negativly on them. Collectivly we spend alot of money on e-bay and a few supportive e-mails from members reinforces this. This said I would not bid on a item that the scan is not of the actual coin and a no return/no exchange policy. Joe

dlimb2 · January 26, 2004 4:44AM

Joe, I told him I had many friends in the coin business and on the boards...I think he got the idea...also I asked him if he would like to see the emails that he sent to me...I kept them all.

dlimb2 · January 26, 2004 4:44AM

DHeath, you should have kept that coin...sorry you lost on it.

puff · January 26, 2004 5:05AM

<< This guy should be neged, he obviously knew what he sent you! >>

What I don't understand is why in the world people keep buying from sellers that have the terrible FEEDBACK history like this joker has! He has over 20,000 feedbacks, but only "half" of those were actually left by a buyer! The rest are automatically placed there by Ebay after 90days time.......

With 90 some odd negative feedbacks in 7 months, (not counting neutrals), and those left by Ebay automatically, is it worth the hassle!

This seller on Ebay is no better than the rip off artist that advertise in Coin World!!!

baccaruda · January 26, 2004 5:12AM

<< This guy should be neged, he obviously knew what he sent you! >>

And you can bet your arse he'll be selling it again under the same pretenses. As a matter of fact, the person that finally gets screwed with it will be the one who didn't want to bother to complain.

dlimb2 · January 26, 2004 5:12AM

Now look what he is threatning me with:

>you will be credited according to my published return policy

puff · January 26, 2004 5:14AM

<< Now look what he is threatning me with:

>you will be credited according to my published return policy >>

Read my post a few lines above.

braddick · January 26, 2004 5:14AM

<< Dlimb2, This'll PO you worse. I just sold this. It went pretty cheap because I didn't mention "matte" in the auction title. I was amazed. I bought it for $230 thinking I'd stolen it, and managed to lose $25.

>>

Don, I wouldn't feel too bad. I just purchased this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2219686416&category=41105&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1 five minutes ago and it sat around for five days or so with no one tapping the BIN. It even had the word, 'matte' in the header.

Possibly the price has these have gone down a bit over the last few weeks?

baccaruda · January 26, 2004 5:14AM

Puff - what do you mean "automatically placed there by Ebay"?

Conder101 · January 26, 2004 5:15AM

<< With 90 some odd negative feedbacks in 7 months, (not counting neutrals), and those left by Ebay automatically, is it worth the hassle! >>

Actually it is 16 in the past 6 months, roughly one half of one percent negative or 99.5% positive. And since when does eBay leave you automatic feedbacks?

dlimb2 · January 26, 2004 5:28AM

What if I send this back and he does not credit my account...What then? He will have my money and the coin too!

puff · January 26, 2004 5:32AM

<< Puff - what do you mean "automatically placed there by Ebay"? >>

Baccaruda...... If no one leaves a feedback after an auction, either the buyer or seller, it will automatically pe posted as a "positive" for either party wether they intended to leave that seller/buyer feedback or not.....

Example: Where it says in the feedback history "Member who left a positive": 1000 lets say, but then down where it says "All positive feedback received": 1500, then that seller/buyer was in actuallity only left 1000 feedbacks by someone...... Then after a 90 day or so period, that seller/buyer will automatically receive a positive feedback from Ebay..... That sucks, because when Ebay does this they're not showing the "true" reason as why the other 500 people didn't leave a feedback and it distorts how many actual "negative" feedbacks this person might have received if the person that didn't actually leave a negative feedback in fear of retalliation from being reciprocated upon them...... So when it shows a seller with a 99.9% positive feedback history this may not be necessarily so!

DHeath · January 26, 2004 5:40AM

Pat, that's incredible! Nice score.

baccaruda · January 26, 2004 5:45AM

That does suck, Puff.

I intentionally didn't leave feedback last week for someone who definitely shouldn't have gotten a positive - but I didn't want a retaliatory neg and I should have known better anyway. So now the guy's gonna get a positive?

AmericanSilverEagleCoins · January 26, 2004 5:46AM

<< Baccaruda...... If no one leaves a feedback after an auction, either the buyer or seller, it will automatically pe posted as a "positive" for either party wether they intended to leave that seller/buyer feedback or not..... >>

Are you sure? I have been gyped by plenty of people I buy from whom I left positive feedback and they did nothing. It was my assumption that the "members who left feedback" was for distinct customers and the "all positive feedbacks received" include repeat customers.

tlhoy · January 26, 2004 5:47AM

Wow Puff, your wrong!
"Example: Where it says in the feedback history "Member who left a positive": 1000 lets say, but then down where it says "All positive feedback received": 1500, then that seller/buyer was in actuallity only left 1000 feedbacks by someone...... "

The extra 500 feedbacks are doubles (people who buy more than 1 item from the same person).
Glenn

puff · January 26, 2004 5:48AM

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<< Baccaruda...... If no one leaves a feedback after an auction, either the buyer or seller, it will automatically pe posted as a "positive" for either party wether they intended to leave that seller/buyer feedback or not..... >>

Are you sure? I have been gyped by plenty of people I buy from whom I left positive feedback and they did nothing. It was my assumption that the "members who left feedback" was for distinct customers and the "all positive feedbacks received" include repeat customers. >>

ASE..... I am "absolutely positive".

puff · January 26, 2004 5:49AM

<< That does suck, Puff.

I intentionally didn't leave feedback last week for someone who definitely shouldn't have gotten a positive - but I didn't want a retaliatory neg and I should have known better anyway. So now the guy's gonna get a positive? >>

Join the club baccaruda!

dlimb2 · January 26, 2004 5:53AM

So what will happen, If I send it back and he does not refund my money, now he has the coin and the money.

tlhoy · January 26, 2004 5:55AM

"It was my assumption that the "members who left feedback" was for distinct customers and the "all positive feedbacks received" include repeat customers. "

AmericanSilverEagleCoins
This statement IS correct!

Puff is wrong.

puff · January 26, 2004 5:55AM

<< Wow Puff, your wrong!
"Example: Where it says in the feedback history "Member who left a positive": 1000 lets say, but then down where it says "All positive feedback received": 1500, then that seller/buyer was in actuallity only left 1000 feedbacks by someone...... "

The extra 500 feedbacks are doubles (people who buy more than 1 item from the same person).
Glenn >>

NO "tlhoy" I am not wrong. I agree that some are from double or repeat buyers/sellers but absolutely not all! If you believe this you are mistaken.

AmericanSilverEagleCoins · January 26, 2004 5:55AM

I just counted up all my positive feedbacks. It works out exactly 79 distinct customers and 112 total positives. I have one neutral. It does not contain anything from the guy who gyped my feedback from something I bought back in July. I remember specifically because my buddy and I are having a feedback race to see whose rating will hit 100 first. I should have had one more rating point and 3 more repeat feedbacks but as I said, the seller gyped me. Another guy I bought 4 items from also gyped me. There is no default feedback and the numbers add up correctly. I should have over 120 positives if they add in default positives.

How did you determine after 90 days you automatically get a positive rating if no rating is given?? Puff you may be correct but it does not appear to be the case with my history.

Sequitur · January 26, 2004 6:01AM

Dlimb: it's been relisted. Just as forum members predicted.

Edited: Or maybe it's another one, with one day to go, but rest assured that junked up SMS Kennedy will be back on Fleebay.

tlhoy · January 26, 2004 6:05AM

Hey Dlimb2

Contact PayPal & tell them to reverse the charge (Bogus coins) & you are returning them.
Package them up, take them to the Post Office. Have them put the stamps on it & cancel (stamp over the stamps.) PHOTOGRAPH THE ENVELOPE!!
Insure it with delivery conformation. This will prove to PayPal that you returned the coins & they will refund your money.
Glenn

puff · January 26, 2004 6:06AM

<< Puff you may be correct but it does not appear to be the case with my history. >>

ASEC..... I have no reason whatsoever to make up this story. But I know for a fact from my own feedback history of close to 1000 feedbacks, and buying and selling, (I do not sell coins), on Ebay that it is a fact.......

But my main point was that people or grossly betrayed buy Ebays feedback system, and that is also a fact. People just don't pay attention to feedback history period.

Sequitur · January 26, 2004 6:09AM

Yes, absolutely, use delivery confirmation. You can use parcel post delivery confirmation, which costs around $0.50 or so. You may even consider signature confirmation for a couple extra bucks. Hell, send registered mail -- just make sure you don't compound the error by losing your cha-ching and the bling bling.

In a related development, I have a picture of the seller:

joeyuk · January 26, 2004 6:27AM

I have just been thru e-bay feedback explainations and from what I see thoy is correct. But that is a sidetrack. I hope everything works out o.k. dlimb2

I have just been ripped of by an ebay seller

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