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Humorous auction listing mistake

toothpullertoothpuller Posts: 600 ✭
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I don't know if this is a deliberate attempt at deceit or if the listing is just a comedy of errors.

This PCGS 1873 closed 3 MS65 IHC is being marketed as RD. Look at the slabbed image. A small piece of tape or ribbon has been placed over the second letter of the color designation on the insert making it unreadable. It's also apparent from the image that the coin is not RD and barely looks RB. A lookup of the PCGS cert # confirms the coin is RB not RD.

To the credit of the dealer the coin is priced as a RB not a RD as a true RD would run at least 4x the starting price.

Anyway this listing is worth a good laugh.

Edited to add the auction has been corrected image

Comments

  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the dealer has been discussed here before and is not considered to be one of the "good guys." Your latest discovery supports my recollection.

    Edited to say that I apologize for shooting first and listening later.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • PeetiePeetie Posts: 627 ✭✭
    Here is what the Cert # comes up:

    Date, mintmark: 1873
    Denomination: 1C
    Variety: Closed 3
    Country: USA
    Grade: MS65RB
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    Fairtraderz, Fairtradez, Fairtraderz... Whats up Cats?????

    This has gotta be a typo???

    I've had many great deals with these cats in the past.....
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
    I too have bought coins from these people with no problems.....Ken
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Comments removed for benefit of the doubt...I stand corrected.

    Ya can't hang a guy before ya read him the oath.

    Bob

  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just emailed the seller asking what the dealio is. Let's see how he/she responds, should be interesting.
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Comments removed for benefit of the doubt...I stand corrected.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Actually, I'd be surprised to find that this was deliberate. They've always been known to be an honest dealer - overpriced - but honest. I know they were having some financial problems a while back; they were very public in their pleas for help. I hope they haven't resorted to deceptive tactics in an attempt to improve that situation.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • WondoWondo Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭
    1. I'll respect you in the morning.
    2. The check is in the mail
    3. The cent is Red


    Another classic courtesy of ebay.

    image
    Wondo

  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LMAO @ WONDO
  • rottnrogrottnrog Posts: 683 ✭✭✭
    I emailed him also!! image
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I know John Schuch very well. >>



    Heh Heh, me and this Cat and his two helpers haggled over a McDonalds Happy meal on a 13.5k purchase....


    Those Rats! They got their happy meal!!!!

    They use those stickers alot on their slabs for some reason.....

    These Cats are on my small list of HepKitty approved dealers......


    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
    One mistake does not make someone decietful....Ken
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ken, I agree and have edited my comments. I don't usually jump the gun. image

    Cheers,

    Bob
  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice friendly people that go out of their way to help you if you call them on the telephone.

    Personally I have NO recollection of these people ever being called "Bad Dealers" on this board. They have caught hell for shipping costs and coin prices a couple of times but that is about it.

    Some of the statements made in this thread are just plain mis-leading.......image

    Ken
  • hookedoncoinshookedoncoins Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭
    It appears they edited the auction. It says RB now.

  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They Monitor this board and post at times.

    Nice Edits I see.....whats up with that ? Spelling ?

    Ken
  • toothpullertoothpuller Posts: 600 ✭


    Ken, The claim was the AUCTION was deceitful or misleading, not necessarily the dealer. image
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,336 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think there is a problem here. This dealer often marks his slabs with tape as shown. I think this is just an unfortunate positioning of the tape. The coin seems to be accurately described.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,380 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can't recall ever listing something on Ebay WITHOUT making a typo....image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TP read post # 2. That is the one that got me wound up. Just a bunch of BS in my opinion.

    That is if it is not EDITED by now.

    I saw your point.....image

    Ken

  • razorface1027razorface1027 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭
    Maybe I'm late on this post but it states RB in the Black header and the cert. # is correct....I dunno..image

    As far as their reputation is concerned, I've never had a problem with them.
    What is money, in reality, but dirty pieces of paper and metal upon which privilege is stamped?
  • rottnrogrottnrog Posts: 683 ✭✭✭
    He has revised the listing!!!!
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I got an email back from the seller. He said it was simply a typo error and apologized for the confusion. He thanked us for bringing the error to his attention. image

    good deal image
  • CoinHunter2003CoinHunter2003 Posts: 498
    I've bought a coin or two from this dealer and never experienced any problems.
    Coins arrived ASAP and I was happy.

    image
    Alex in Alaska
    Collecting Morgans in Any Grade
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've bought one early seated dime from them at an earlier FUN show but did not have to pay them the Happy Meal. Guess I scored. Next time I'll make them treat me to the McCheese.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    well, the happy meal wasn't so bad.....

    next time, those cats can show up over here and I'll take em to the Golden Coral buffet!
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • ultramikeultramike Posts: 68
    I've dealt with John more times than i can remember---this HAS to be a mistake ! PERIOD

    Regards
    Mike Rogers
    ultramike@collector.org
    much rather be tried by 12 as carried by six !~!

    SHOOT FIRST-QUESTIONS L8TR...

    If its nice and you REALLY like it " buy it " sure beats laying awake wishin you had, PLUS you will never forget or FORGIVE YOURSELF for letting it get away-and remember you can always pedel it to regain most of $ . Just one of many of " buying politics I utilize.
    Besides I really lost sleep and beat myself up yo learn this simple procedure !~!
  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Purely an accident. Fairtraderz is a legit dealer; I don't think they make a living using bait and switch tactics.

    One mans opinion,
    Dave
    Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
  • LincolnCentManLincolnCentMan Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭
    Two of the nicest coins in my set came from that dealer. I've never had any problem there. He can be a bit high, but I've gotten good service.

    David
    Lincolncentman Toned Lincolns
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    Well, if this was purely an acccident everyone here deserves a hand for preventing oneimage--------------------------------------BigE
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Even though everybody speaks highly of that dealer he has been known to sell slabbed coins with added little yellow stickers on them 'Full Bell Lines" etc on coins that don't have that designation on the insert.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • fairtraderzfairtraderz Posts: 1
    Hi Everyone,

    There was a mistake on the listing of this auction, key word "a mistake" to call it a scam or deceitful is surely a flame! We are only human and from time to time we will make a mistake in a listing.

    We are sorry for the mistake, and we in no way tryed to pull a fast one on anyone! The label is something we have used for years at coin show's to tell us this is a key date, or a expensive coin. In no way do we use these lables to hide anything.

    We thank those that have emailed us of the mistake, once it was brought to our attention, I fixed it.
    We also thank those who stood up for us during the flamming!

    Also I might add that we list on a average 500 auction's a week, to do this we must be fast at the key boards, and from time to time a fat little finger will hit a wrong key (typo). Also at the same time when listing 500 auction's we will need to take 1500 pictures for 500 auctions. Try this and see how easy it is with out one or two mistakes or even a blurred picture from time to time.. And at the same time we are answering phone call's and email's and helping the show circut crew get ready for the road.

    I will end this by saying thank you to all that take the time to email us when they see an error in one of our listing's.
    Have fun coin collecting!

    Gary @ fairtraderz







  • NewmismatistNewmismatist Posts: 1,802 ✭✭
    I have had many dealings with John Schuch - I've bought coins from him and sold coins to him - He's always fair - In 10 years, I've never had a problem with any transaction with John or his staff. At bourse shows both collectors and dealers line up to see John's NEWPS. If John makes a mistake - He corrects it - no if ands and buts - a great dealer to do business with.

    Looks like he made a mistake with the original listing and then corrected it. As for the label on the coin, If you go to any show where John sets up you will see hundreds of his coins with this colored labels - sometimes they're to identify consigned coins, sometimes to ID higher priced coins, at one show he had different colored labels for different coin denominations - I think brown & white was for copper - which made it easy for me to quickly look thru the copper that I collect. At a typical show John Schuch buys and sells thousands of coins - VERY fairly. I don't work for him - I buy from him - the suggestion that he is scamming anyone is completely unwarranted!
    Collecting eye-appealing Proof and MS Indian Head Cents, 1858 Flying Eagle and IHC patterns and beautiful toned coins.

    “It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.” Mark Twain
    Newmismatist
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,380 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've never bought from him but always stop by his table for the candy!image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • quattrocoinsquattrocoins Posts: 1,881
    I have also bought many coins from John (both on ebay and at shows) and you couldn't ask for a nicer guy to do business with. I always make it a point to visit his table at shows, and I've always found him to be as fair as his handle states. He and Sally are also some of the friendliest to deal with. I also see those stickers on some of his coins all the time. I believe that they mark premium, key, or expensive coins.

    Don
    FULL Heads RULE!
  • MrpawnMrpawn Posts: 595
    A little late here but I have been playing with the Grandson.

    I have had just a few eBay transactions with this dealer and all have been on the up and up. I wish that I could afford to do more business with this dealer.

    This was too obvious to be anything but an error.

    BTW welcome to the boards

    eBay Auctions
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I think the dealer has been discussed here before and is not considered to be one of the "good guys." >>

    totally disagree, your paranoia is much of what's "wrong" with dealers getting a bad rap these days. i've bought several coins from fairtraderz / john schuch, & found them to be ethical & reliable, AND they will bargain. gary is a good guy too.

    why throw out this kind of nonsense on a public forum? you should be ashamed.

    K S

    PS saw where some people retracted their statements, good for you. mistakes happen!
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    << I think the dealer has been discussed here before and is not considered to be one of the "good guys." >>

    totally disagree, your paranoia is much of what's "wrong" with dealers getting a bad rap these days. i've bought several coins from fairtraderz / john schuch, & found them to be ethical & reliable, AND they will bargain. gary is a good guy too.

    Karl,

    Gimme a break! fairtraderz is allowed to make a public mistake and others are not? I previously apologized publicly as I have not had any first hand experience with fairtraderz. As a rule, I avoid ebay peddlers that sell a large volume of SEGS/PCI material. Perhaps I am in the minority and wrong for doing so.

    My apologies again to fairtraderz.

    Robert
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    OOPS HEY RYK, sorry dude, i wasn't aiming my comment at you, but the person who fired up the thread.

    SORRY!!!

    K S
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Karl,

    You were (mostly) right, and I was (mostly) wrong. One should not discredit someone here or elsewhere without a good reason.

    Mea culpa!

    Robert

    P.S. I was thinking about buying a group of PCI and SEGS slabs from fairtraderz as a penance. Appropriate?
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    pm sent

    K S
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    ttt

    K S
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭
    why?
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

    image
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    becuz of this

    K S
  • SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Since you brought it up, what John's answer for the same coin four times???
    Just wondering.

    https://www.ebay.com/str/christyscoins
  • Coinhusker1Coinhusker1 Posts: 3,560 ✭


    << <i>becuz of this

    K S >>



    The point being . . . . . . . ?
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭


    << <i>becuz of this

    K S >>



    But that thread mentions a Gary.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

    image
  • tlhoytlhoy Posts: 2,204
    Lets be fair.
    The thread your reading now was started a year ago. It was an honest eBay listing mistake. (Typo)

    This isn't!

    Glenn
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    the point being positive comments made on this person's character. i'm not questioning that what initiated this thread was an innocent typo.

    K S

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