East India 10 Cash - 1808

newbiecollector

This is marked as a "salvaged coin". I can not remember where I got it.

1jester

Nice coin! It looks familiar!

ccrdragon

Does the coin have as much red as the pix show? That's real pretty anyway you look!!!

newbiecollector

ccrdragon
No not that much red. A little darker. The color is from my lightining problems with taking photos.

newbiecollector

I thought you might recognise that 1jester.....

lordmarcovan

I can't tell you where YOU got it, but I can tell you where THEY got it (obviously from the Admiral Gardner shipwreck).

Speaking of shipwreck salvage, I just got a piece of Swedish plate money that came from the 1783 Nicobar wreck off the southern coast of Africa. It is a 2-daler piece struck in 1750, similar to the second one on this page, but not qute as nice (the one in the pic is way above average, and rare, as it is not sea-salvaged). Very cool- my biggest "coin" ever. Almost the same dimensions as the Krause catalog (but not as thick, of course). A little bigger than a US coin Redbook.

newbiecollector

That is a WHOOPER!!!!!!!!!

lordmarcovan

Yeah- definitely not something you wanna drop on your toe!

newbiecollector

.nope!

lordmarcovan

Danglen saw mine and bought the other one. One dealer had two of them. Shipwreck coins are fascinating, in a tragic sorta way.

ajaan

I saw lordM's plate money. It is hugh. I'm waiting for him to get it slabbed.

newbiecollector

I would hate to have to carry enough of those with me to pay for a hamburger and fries.......

tbirde56

Here's a synopsis of the Admiral Gardner cash coin's history:
'On a cold, blustery January day in 1809, three ships of the English East India Company sailed from the Port of London bound for India. One was the Admiral Gardner, a massive three-decker constructed of oak and teak, carrying a valuable cargo of copper ingots and coins specially minted to pay company employees in Madras and Bengal. As the weather worsened, the Admiral Gardner and the Brittania were driven onto the notorious Goodwin Sands, where they sank in the English Channel. The wreck of the Admiral Gardner went undiscovered for nearly 180 years, until 1985, when lengthy and dangerous salvage operations succeeded in recovering its lost treasure.'

And another:
'The 11-year-old Admiral Gardner was an East Indiaman, one of the proud, tall ships that made the regular and perilous journey between England and India during the 18th and 19th centuries. 145 feet in length, she was captained by William John Eastfield, a man who already made the journey many times in the past. He knew the hazards the trip had in store, and as he set sail from Deptford, on the River Thames, that day in 1809, he would already have been studying the latest charts.
Part of his cargo consisted of coins to be used by the British East India Company. The majority on these coins were copper 10 cash that were struck at the Soho mint in Birmingham, England. The copper for these coins came from the Rose Copper Co. in Cornwall. They were selected because their copper deposits contained significant amounts of silver. Consequently, each of the cash coins contains some silver. The arms of the East India Co. are on the obverse, above the date. The reverse bears a mughul inscription and an "X" denoting the denomination of ten cash.
As the ship left the safety of the River Thames and proceeded beyond the Straits of Dover, a very sudden storm developed that pushed the ship on to the Goodwin Sands. These sands were named for the eleventh century earl of Goodwin, whose now-submerged lands the sands once were. When the earl's son, King Harold II, was slain at the Battle of Hastings, the Norman conqueror confiscated his property and it is said that it was the earl himself whose curse caused the waters to slowly encroach over the land, a trap for unwary seaman for all eternity.
Some seaman were rescued as the ship bore the thunderous waves but others, unfortunately, lost their lives.
After a half century, all trace of the ship had been lost and she was just another entry in Lloyd's Register.
Finally in 1985, with modern equipment, the wreck was discovered and some of its treasure, like the 10 cash coins we are offering, was recovered.'

hookedoncoins

<< <i>I saw lordM's plate money. It is hugh. I'm waiting for him to get it slabbed. >>



I can just see the expression on PCGS/NGC/ANAC's face if you sent that in.

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laurentyvan

Yes, that coin is huge, definately a huge coin.

Mais, mais, ou est le trou?

laurentyvan

I'll show you mine- ex LordM, ex Ajaan. AU details, corroded, net VF30-definitely from the bottom of the sea.

lordmarcovan

I submitted that one to ANACS. Wayne's sure does look nicer, but the LordM/ajaan/laurentyvan coin has character.

ajaan

<< <i>but the LordM/ajaan/laurentyvan coin has character. >>


To say nothing about the majestic pedigree.

lordmarcovan

The REALLY majestic ones are what Michael and I call the "incestuous" coins, that have been through four (or even five!) forum members' hands, like an "Aethelred/LordM/ajaan/spinaker2000/mongoose" coin. There are a few that have gone back and forth, too, like "LordM/Aethelred/LordM/Ajaan/Aethelred", or whatever.

Darkhorse

IS this the "bu" one from the gatewest auction?

wallstreetman

Heres mine with certificate.

lordmarcovan

Now see, there's a great looking piece, and a nice certificate.

I remember when these were selling in excess of $50 each, before they flooded the market and the price took a steep nosedive.