Nice coin! Buying your first Flowing Hair half is a major accomplishment. The A/E is an interesting variety. I would grade it VG10 for the die marriage, all O.113/113a's have strong rims but weak centers and wing detail, check the Overton plate or the PCGS F15 at JJ Teaparty's website. The MS63 Eliasberg coin also has weak centers. Should be some die lumps at S12-14 also. You gotta good deal, prices have been strong for F/H halves.
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I hear ya guy. I usually DO kill a thread whether I'm naughty or nice. So I been thinking there is no reason to try and be nice, which was the case with this thread. And please accept my sincere apology in killing your thread that had about 50 replies or so when I "Killed"it. Next time I'll make it a point to jump in earlier.
Edit... I see I have killed the same thread twice. They all like me I just know they do. No? That's cool too.
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the coin is home from the bank and I'm itching to crack it out, have a look at the edges, and put it in the whitman type set album. would you guys leave it holdered? anacs vg8
Ok, for you Bustie aficionados a trivia question...
Who is the only numismatist (well, I can only think of one and he's prominent in Bust circles) who ever devised a way to take pics of a coin's third side? As a followup, what happened to his device?
I believe it was Russell J. Logan who developed a set of "edge mirrors" that would allow the "third side" of the coin to be photographed. These circular mirrors would reflect the entire 360 degrees of the edge of the coin, making the entire edge visible at once. That image could then be photographed along with either the obverse or reverse in the same picture.
The mirrors were auctioned by Bowers and Merena as part of the Logan Collection, November, 2002, (Lot 1935) and the proceeds were donated to the JRCS. The mirrors realized $2,300 -- I was one of the underbidders on the lot.
Good morning everyone, thanks for your replies and encouragement, I'm going to have a cup of coffee and then crack this coin out of it's holder and try to take some good pictures of the edge lettering before it goes into the album, will post the results in a little while, hopefully the operation will go smoothly.
Logan came up with a good way but it was expensive. Someone else came up with a much cheaper way. Take a block of wood and drill a hole in it that a dowel rod will fit into snugly. Glue a short length of dowel rod to the center of a disk of some rigid material (Something like a tiddlywink would do nicely.) Get the reflector out of a flashlight. Glue the reflector to the block of wood centered over the hole so you are looking down into the reflector. (This next part takes some trial and error.) Trim the dowel to length so that when you place it in the hole and place a coin on the disk it comes to within an 1/8th of an inch of the reflector all the way around. If you shoot a picture straight down into the reflector now the edge of the coin will be visible all the way around the coin. If you make up a set of the little dowel rod platforms then you can take a picture of the edge of a coin simply and easily just by changing platforms. (It is often a good idea to place a disk of paper on the top of the coin to allow you to concentrate on the edge more and to help prevent overexposures.) Logans's edge mirrors cost him over $100 each to make and he needed a different one for each size coin. This setup will allow you to make a set of platforms and photograph any size coin for under $10 with any additional platforms needed costing just a few cents apiece.
OK, the coin is free (and undamaged in the process), here's my first attempt at shooting the edges:
the decorations between words appear to be mostly stars, with a few circles and squares. The letter A is a triangle with a little dent in the base, there is no little triangle in the top of the A.
I like this coin a lot better out of the holder where I can carefully touch and closely examine it.
Next set of pics will be the coin in it's new home in the album!
it's a contemporary struck hole-filler coin until you get the real thing??
you are correct, sir!
although contemporary to us, not "contemporary" as the term is used for circulating counterfeits of the period.
this is a Gallery Mint replica
This piece was struck on a screw press, on a planchet of similar specifications to the originals, 0.8924 silver.
What I need is a nice problem-free Good or a more detailed (genuine) example that nets down to Good because of an issue I don't mind as much on such a rare coin: scratches (test marks), light cleanings, slight bends, uneven strikes or wear, small holes neatly plugged, minor "work" etc. I also need to save up five figures to afford such a coin. In the meantime I have an MS 68 or so in the hole too look at instead of just air.
Thanks Baley: It's a very beautiful replica of the real thing that is a very cost-effective hole-filler! I may need to purchase some of the Early Flowing Hair and Draped Bust (Small Eagle) Dollars from the Gallery Mint for my Type Set.
I bet I could afford some MS-68's in Gallery Mint contemporary restrikes...
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
A few years ago I moved my type set from an album which was depositing PVC spots on my coins into a Dansco album. Fortunately, I no longer have to fill a hole for the 1796 half or quarter. However, there is no hole for a flowing hair half dollar either, and I sold mine when I needed the money. Here is the coin I most regret selling. I bought it as a raw VG-10.
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I would like to see some pictures taken with this edge mirror; are they reversed (mirror image) or is there some way to reflect them back again and get words you can read right to left?
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<< <i>and thanks stman for killing my thread (again) >>
I hear ya guy. I usually DO kill a thread whether I'm naughty or nice. So I been thinking there is no reason to try and be nice, which was the case with this thread. And please accept my sincere apology in killing your thread that had about 50 replies or so when I "Killed"it.
Edit... I see I have killed the same thread twice. They all like me I just know they do. No? That's cool too.
Way to go- looks like you got a terrific-lookin' original piece with no distractions. Sweet!
<< <i>We're "homies" here in San Diego..we gotta get together sometime for a showing... >>
Don't forget to invite me too! Congrats Baley.
K S
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
I was shocked to see the PCGS-10 coin that someone linked. Looks like it may be time to send all my coins to PCGS for a re-grade!
John
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Ok, for you Bustie aficionados a trivia question...
Who is the only numismatist (well, I can only think of one and he's prominent in Bust circles) who ever devised a way to take pics of a coin's third side? As a followup, what happened to his device?
EVP
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I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
I believe it was Russell J. Logan who developed a set of "edge mirrors" that would allow the "third side" of the coin to be photographed. These circular mirrors would reflect the entire 360 degrees of the edge of the coin, making the entire edge visible at once. That image could then be photographed along with either the obverse or reverse in the same picture.
The mirrors were auctioned by Bowers and Merena as part of the Logan Collection, November, 2002, (Lot 1935) and the proceeds were donated to the JRCS. The mirrors realized $2,300 -- I was one of the underbidders on the lot.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
the decorations between words appear to be mostly stars, with a few circles and squares. The letter A is a triangle with a little dent in the base, there is no little triangle in the top of the A.
I like this coin a lot better out of the holder where I can carefully touch and closely examine it.
Next set of pics will be the coin in it's new home in the album!
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Do you know who was the immediate underbidder of the edge mirrors? I'll give you a hint: you know him, and he's a heck of a nice guy!
EVP
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
I'm having a hard time visualizing what you wrote. Any chance that you can draw a diagram and then post it here? I'd be mightily interested...
EVP
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Since this is the rare type Bust Half may I assume that it's a contemporary struck hole-filler coin until you get the real thing??
Just curious ??
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
you are correct, sir!
although contemporary to us, not "contemporary" as the term is used for circulating counterfeits of the period.
this is a Gallery Mint replica
This piece was struck on a screw press, on a planchet of similar specifications to the originals, 0.8924 silver.
What I need is a nice problem-free Good or a more detailed (genuine) example that nets down to Good because of an issue I don't mind as much on such a rare coin: scratches (test marks), light cleanings, slight bends, uneven strikes or wear, small holes neatly plugged, minor "work" etc. I also need to save up five figures to afford such a coin. In the meantime I have an MS 68 or so in the hole too look at instead of just air.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
I bet I could afford some MS-68's in Gallery Mint contemporary restrikes...
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Thirty to forty bucks on ebay or possibly still directly from GM, I don't know but I also have their 1796 quarter:
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
A few years ago I moved my type set from an album which was depositing PVC spots on my coins into a Dansco album. Fortunately, I no longer have to fill a hole for the 1796 half or quarter. However, there is no hole for a flowing hair half dollar either, and I sold mine when I needed the money. Here is the coin I most regret selling. I bought it as a raw VG-10.
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If you mean Logan's edge mirrors -- yes, I have. Very cool.
EVP
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Tom
You're now official, Bubba 4/24/04