ARRC bingles

cdwegner · January 13, 2004 10:22AM

Does anyone know if PCGS or NGC slabs ARRC bingles?

nwcs · January 13, 2004 10:27AM

I don't think either will slab a token.

DaveG · January 13, 2004 10:28AM

I believe that NGC slabs Conder tokens.

Wolfy00002 · January 13, 2004 10:48AM

NCG slabs tokens, but there is a size limit, I don't know off hand what it is though.

flaminio · January 13, 2004 12:09PM

I think they'll slab anything in the Red Book, which ARRC tokens are. I've never seen them, tho' -- you might want to ask...

homerunhall · January 13, 2004 12:30PM

We would slab Alaskan Bingles if anyone ever sent one in. It has been 20 years since I seen one. There are some sets of Choice examples that were making the rounds 25 years ago or so. They are very rare in my opinion and an important U.S. issue...really a "Territorial" coin.

David Hall

cdwegner · January 13, 2004 12:55PM

David,

Thanks for the response.

My father purchased a complete set about a year ago. When he purchased that set, he sent me a 1 cent piece that he had already owned. See the attached picture. It's not in the greatest shape, but I think it is a neat piece of American and Alaskan history.

I wonder what size of holder you would put a 1 cent piece in, since it is octogonal.

cd

homerunhall · January 13, 2004 2:03PM

Will grade your set for free...just to see it and do it...David

LAWMAN · January 14, 2004 5:35AM

Post a picture! I don't even know what a bingle is!

kieferscoins · January 14, 2004 5:40AM

Cool free grading.

Mr. Hall slabbed my complete set of MS Franklins for me for free when I was 17 and stumped the experts multiple times at a contest. They loved it and I was really shocked to get my whole set graded. PCGS is great.

Cameron Kiefer

nepbrs44 · January 14, 2004 5:47AM

I think ANACS slabs tokens

DennisH · January 14, 2004 6:03AM

Mr. Hall:

I've never seen or even heard of a bingle, but I'm pleased as all get-out that you and PCGS are willing to encapsulate this man's prized keepsakes in the name of numismatic education and preservation.

BRAVO!

66impalaSS · January 14, 2004 6:07AM

<< Will grade your set for free...just to see it and do it...David >>

Can't get any better than that!

cdwegner · March 1, 2004 3:14AM

Here is my Dad's ARRC bingle set pre-PCGS. I'm mailing them to Mr. Hall today.

joeyuk · March 1, 2004 3:29AM

Interesting. These are listed in Breens chapter 48 Fedreal Emergency Coinages for Alaska.
Alaska Rural Rehabilitation Corporation. Breen # 8020-8027.

LanLord · March 1, 2004 3:35AM

Say brother, can ya spare a bingle?

I am curious as to where that term came from?

dorkkarl · March 1, 2004 4:05AM

named after some preacher, no?

going on memory, but i think they were issued during the 1930's.

K S

flaminio · March 1, 2004 4:37AM

Wonderful! Make sure to post the grades when you get them.

flaminio · March 4, 2004 1:32AM

How's this for fast service? Bingles graded. I wonder what the grades ended up being...

paigowjohnny · March 4, 2004 1:38AM

I'll ask what may be a silly question...and am not asking it to "stir the pot"....but why slab them at all ??
Is there an authenticity concern....I'm guessing not

cdwegner · March 4, 2004 1:40AM

Odd in what way?

Out of the ordinary? That the US government would mint aluminum and brass tokens? That the obverse and reverse are the same (bifacial)?

haha.

flaminio · March 4, 2004 1:40AM

<< I'll ask what may be a silly question...and am not asking it to "stir the pot"....but why slab them at all ?? >>

I won't speak for the owner, but I would guess part of the reason is because HRH said he'd do it for free

.

cdwegner · March 4, 2004 1:45AM

paigow,

Slabbing these tokens started out as just a curiousity question. I had no idea if any place would slab them...

After talking to Mr. Hall, he offered to slab them, just so he could get a look at these fairly unique US minted tokens.

I think it's awesome that Mr. Hall offered and that my Dad will have (for now) the only PCGS slabbed set of ARRC bingles.

Who was talking about how neat pop 1 coins were the other day?

I have to agree.

cd

tjkillian · March 4, 2004 1:46AM

Since PCGS has only seen this one set in its 18 years of operation, it seems like they are not all that common. Many coins should be preserved, and slabbing them will help preserve them, so why not have them slabbed? The price was VERY competitive

Tom

flaminio · March 4, 2004 1:52AM

<< I think it's awesome that Mr. Hall offered and that my Dad will have (for now) the only PCGS slabbed set of ARRC bingles.

Who was talking about how neat pop 1 coins were the other day?

I have to agree. >>

Oh yeah -- now all you need is a Registry Set created

. Your Dad already has the Finest Known set!

cdwegner · March 4, 2004 1:55AM

Every once in awhile you see the tokens come up on Ebay. The .01, .05, .10, .25 inparticular, but I have never seen the .50, $1, $5 or $10.

The set that has been so graciously slabbed by Mr. Hall is my Father's.

I have started to build my own set, but I have a long way to go... I only have 3 of the 8.

According to the Redbook:

Quan. Minted

$.01 5,000
$.05 5,000
$.10 5,000

$.25 3,000

$.50 2,500
$1.00 2,500

$5.00 1,000
$10.00 1,000

cdwegner · March 4, 2004 1:57AM

<< named after some preacher, no?

going on memory, but i think they were issued during the 1930's.

K S >>

Here is an article that mentions preacher Bingle.

http://www.alaskamagazine.com/stories/1102/ktob_historic.shtml

and a little more information:

http://www.arrc.us

cdwegner · March 4, 2004 2:08AM

And a little more...

http://www.coinbooks.com/club_nbs_esylum_v05n27.html

ALASKAN BINGLE TOKENS

Coincidentally, on my desk there happens to be a copy of
a 1955 pamphlet published by the Alaska Rural Rehabilitation
Corporation (ARRC). Titled "20 Years of Progress in the
Matanuska Valley, Alaska," it includes an article about the
ARRC "Bingle" tokens. It pictures eight different denominations
of the tokens, but doesn't shed much light on their origins.
"The 'Bingles' were only in use about six months in the winter
of 1935-36 when they were called in... No one seems certain
where the name came from... Perhaps it was more than a
coincidence that one of the foremost and best loved preachers
in the valley at that time was also named Bingle."

After asking Ron about it, he replied: "I've seen the pamphlet
but don't own one. The Alaskans use the term bingle for all
the tokens, not just the ARRC tokens. And the term appears
to predate the 1935 ARRC issue."

paigowjohnny · March 4, 2004 2:20AM

<< I think it's awesome that Mr. Hall offered and that my Dad will have (for now) the only PCGS slabbed set of ARRC bingles. >>

fair enough....and I guess if HRH offered me a freebie, I'd be on the way to the P.O. as well

cladking · March 4, 2004 3:07AM

There are dozens of each of the smaller denominations known. The larger ones
tend to be pretty hard to find. This makes the smaller denominations fairly "common"
by token standards.

cdwegner · March 21, 2004 12:43AM

Let's see if this works.

Here are the results from PCGS:

The results!

Thanks again Mr. Hall!

Dennis88 · March 21, 2004 12:49AM

Coppernicus · March 21, 2004 12:53AM

Nice "odd" coins (tokens)!! This may be a silly question, but how does PCGS arrive at a 61 or 62 grade? Since these haven't been seen at PCGS for 18 years or so, how does a grader distinguish between a 61 and a 62? Couldn't they be 62 and 63? I know this sounds kind of weird, but I can see how to grade MS Lincoln wheats 'cause I've seen thousands of them ranging over almost all grade levels. But, give me a half-disme (or some other unfamiliar series) and I'd be lost. I'd have no criteria to judge what the strike should really look like, what the luster should be for, say a grade of 64. Does this make sense to anyone else?

Mike

cdwegner · March 21, 2004 12:58AM

Maybe it's not good to be the first in this case.

I'm wondering if they found a print with their microscope on the .01 that ended up AU58.

cladking · March 21, 2004 6:48AM

Very cool.

CaptainRon · March 21, 2004 7:40AM

Congrats, those are pretty cool.

cdwegner · March 30, 2004 10:17PM

Oh, you have to love this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3905200147&category=3455&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1

mrearlygold · March 30, 2004 10:40PM

Coooool!!!

Rgrds
TP

Shamika · March 30, 2004 10:41PM

Yea, I saw that one. The bidding is out of hand. At least for me it is.

flaminio · March 31, 2004 4:45AM

<< Here are the results from PCGS:

The results! >>

Ultra cool! Now all ya gotta do is to get PCGS to make a registry set for them. Can you say "finest known"?

mrearlygold · March 31, 2004 7:37AM

Badda bingle!

TP

cdwegner · March 31, 2004 1:46PM

I watch all of the ARRC bingles on Ebay. Typically, they auction for $50 to $55 for the .01, .05, .10 and .25. I've never seen the larger denominations on Ebay.

That one though... someone really had some money burning a hole in their pocket.

cdwegner · June 29, 2004 4:00PM

http://www.pcgs.com/new_set_registry/display_coins.chtml?regsetid=22302&rank=1&alltime=yes

15 minutes of fame!

Baley · June 29, 2004 4:25PM

that is pretty darn cool!

rare set, these are tough to find.

cdwegner · July 6, 2004 10:24AM

Holy moley!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3919212873&ssPageName=STRK:MEDW:IT

flaminio · July 7, 2004 1:44AM

Wow. Looks like you got a real treasure there. Congrats to you and your dad.

Are you going to put your pictures up in the registry? I'm sure people surfing through there would like to see what they look like.

cdwegner · July 7, 2004 8:55AM

That's the first full set I have seen up on Ebay.

I know my Dad has a full set (the registered one) and my Grandfather has one.

I was thinking about bidding on the Ebay set, but that price was out of my league.

ARRC bingles

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