IF they were in school all the collectors and MOST of the dealers would have failed their final exam. IF this field was regulated and there was a certification process to be a coin dealer 95% of the dealers who participated would need to find a new line of work. The remaining would have squeaked through with a C.
Who would want to hire and attorney that could barely pass the BAR Exam?
Who would want to buy raw coins from a dealer who is a 50/50 at best to get the grade right and tends to overgrade most?
Bill
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
The dealers did not own the coins. What would the results have been had the deales owned the coins and were grading them for resale? A grade that would determin their profit margin. I shudder just thinking about it.
Bill
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
IMHO, the real test was to see who could best replicate PCGS grading -- not photograde, NGC, or anyone else's grading standards.
Educated minds do differ on how to grade certain series and dates. It also goes without saying, that the argument will always lie between the technical grade and the coin's eye appeal.
<< <i>Who would want to hire and attorney that could barely pass the BAR Exam?
>>
when was the last time you saw a lawyer who advertised his/her "bar exam grade?"
ummm, that would be..... never.
(why, you may ask? can you say "pass/fail?")
now that that's cleared up.
the interesting thing for me, and i can't find it through a search, but i seem to remember Mr. Hall saying somewhere that the first round would be basic coins, with no liners or anything like that. Just coins that are solid for the grade.
the 4 dealers who did best on the test (one of whom was a grader at pcgs) came up with, on average, more than 50% different grades on these solid, no liner coins.
<< <i>the 4 dealers who did best on the test (one of whom was a grader at pcgs) came up with, on average, more than 50% different grades on these solid, no liner coins.
think about THAT, folks...... >>
Exactly!!!!!!!!!
By the way, I won't be releasing my bar exam results either.
I have promised not to reveal any scores other than the top finishers. However, I feel that it's OK to tell everyone that Cameron did quite well and I was impressed.
By the way, the altered surfaces proof Mercury dime was quite obvious. Should have been picked up at arm's length.
I feel that many people over-thought the test. There were only a few truly tricky coins. And quite a few people no-graded too many coins. There were only two body bags in the 40 coins, the counterfeit 1927-D $20 and the phony frost proof Mercury.
My advice to those who participate in the upcoming Long Beach and Baltimore rounds is to relax and write down the first grade that comes to your mind. Don't try to out think us because we really aren't trying to trick you.
My advice to those who participate in the upcoming Long Beach and Baltimore rounds is to relax and write down the first grade that comes to your mind. Don't try to out think us because we really aren't trying to trick you.
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Cameron Kiefer
Cameron Kiefer
Who would want to hire and attorney that could barely pass the BAR Exam?
Who would want to buy raw coins from a dealer who is a 50/50 at best to get the grade right and tends to overgrade most?
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
The dealers did not own the coins. What would the results have been had the deales owned the coins and were grading them for resale? A grade that would determin their profit margin. I shudder just thinking about it.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
IMHO, the real test was to see who could best replicate PCGS grading -- not photograde, NGC, or anyone else's grading standards.
Educated minds do differ on how to grade certain series and dates. It also goes without saying, that the argument will always lie between the technical grade and the coin's eye appeal.
<< <i>Who would want to hire and attorney that could barely pass the BAR Exam?
>>
when was the last time you saw a lawyer who advertised his/her "bar exam grade?"
ummm, that would be..... never.
(why, you may ask? can you say "pass/fail?")
now that that's cleared up.
the interesting thing for me, and i can't find it through a search, but i seem to remember Mr. Hall saying somewhere that the first round would be basic coins, with no liners or anything like that. Just coins that are solid for the grade.
the 4 dealers who did best on the test (one of whom was a grader at pcgs) came up with, on average, more than 50% different grades on these solid, no liner coins.
think about THAT, folks......
<< <i>the 4 dealers who did best on the test (one of whom was a grader at pcgs) came up with, on average, more than 50% different grades on these solid, no liner coins.
think about THAT, folks...... >>
Exactly!!!!!!!!!
By the way, I won't be releasing my bar exam results either.
By the way, the altered surfaces proof Mercury dime was quite obvious. Should have been picked up at arm's length.
I feel that many people over-thought the test. There were only a few truly tricky coins. And quite a few people no-graded too many coins. There were only two body bags in the 40 coins, the counterfeit 1927-D $20 and the phony frost proof Mercury.
My advice to those who participate in the upcoming Long Beach and Baltimore rounds is to relax and write down the first grade that comes to your mind. Don't try to out think us because we really aren't trying to trick you.
David
My advice to those who participate in the upcoming Long Beach and Baltimore rounds is to relax and write down the first grade that comes to your mind. Don't try to out think us because we really aren't trying to trick you.
Good advice
Cameron Kiefer
<< <i>The collectors also tended to grade a lot more conservatively than the dealers. >>
Then how come my 1938D/D 1938D/SBuffaloes didn't come in as 67's? I was thinking 66's maybe 67's.
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