1919(s) SLQ (PCGS-MS67FH) STOLEN: NO QUESTIONS ASKED $5,000 REWARD

wondercoin

Dave Schweitz asked that I post this thread for him as he is still attending the FUN Show without access to a computer.

The 1919(s) SLQ grading PCGS-MS67FH (pop 1/0) has been stolen. This coin was purchased by Dave out of the Superior auction earlier this week and Dave reports it being stolen in the Superior lot pick up room. Dave is offering a $5,000 reward for information leading to the successful return of the coin to Dave (please call Dave directly at (702) 596-3430 with respect to his no questions asked reward).

Wondercoin

LucyBop

How in the world does such a thing happen? Does some kind of insurance cover it?

mdwoods

Nice coins Marty. Will you send the dime to NCS?

Louis

<< <i>Nice coins Marty. Will you send the dime to NCS? >>

itsnotjustme

Appears the theif knew what they were after. That's a shame--I hope the culprit gets what he/she deserves.

jonesy

Woodie must be posting in his sleep again!!!

mdwoods

Ooops, wrong thread for my first reply. Man, what a bummer to get ripped for a coin like that. Somebody is a real turd. I hope it was just a mistake somewhere and Dave gets the coin back.

Blade

Here is a link to the auction with a nice big picture. Unfortunately I don't see any distinguishing marks if someone cracks and dips it, but even then these don't come along every day and I hope the thief is busted.

Superior Galleries 1919-S SLQ Auction listing

jdimmick

Boy thats a tough lost. Seems though, that a coin of that magnitude may get attention if sold openly. I would contact all publications and every numis media outlet to let them now. If the thief is planning on trying to sell, you might have a chance. If sold by a private transaction with a buyer, then maybe no hope. You also might want to contact the grading services also, thinking like a thief, If I wanted to sell it openly, I would break it out of the holder its in, someone may be dumb enough to send in for grading raw. If so, shouldnt be too hard to tell when it comes in.

jonesy

Neptune

tuff loss --- so they just leave those coins laying around for buyer to pick up after auction? That doesn't sound real smart.

EVillageProwler

tuff loss --- so they just leave those coins laying around for buyer to pick up after auction? That doesn't sound real smart.

If you think that Superior or any auction house has those coins simply "laying around" then I would suggest that you participate more in this process to get a more hands-on view of the process.

EVP

Zerbe

Honestly wish I could help and I would not want, nor take a reward, since Dave is a great guy. Really hope this gets resolved, and the coin returned to Dave.
I had a Proof Morgan stolen last year due to the negligence of Fedex, and it was nowhere near the value of Dave's coin. But, even so, it is a really traumatic experience.

quattrocoins

Mitch,
What a horrible thing to have happened!
I hope that they catch the creep before the show ends!
They should be able to cut off this creeps hands in the middle of the bourse floor!

Let's keep this "wanted poster" out there!







Best of luck with this one, David.

Don

as always,

darktone

It will turn up. What does a thief do with a coin like this to get anywhere near what it's worth? It's not like there are buyers for $80,000 coins on every street corner and even if it's offered for a tenth of it's value say $8,000 it would most likely be to a coin dealer or a very knowledgable collector and it would finds it way back into mainstream coin channels and be recognized if it stay's in the slab. If it's cracked out it will be certified again because what's it worth raw? and it will be recognized. I hope it turns up soon. By the way who actually had possession of it when it was stold? and is someones insurance going to cover it? mike

XpipedreamR

Hopefully if it doesn't turn up sooner, darktone's scenario will play out. Unless it has been stolen by someone who wants a beautiful high-grade SLQ. In that case they may be screwed.

Neptune

You are correct - I don't know much about the process --- but ***how*** does something like that happen?

wjd283

That's one purty SLQ.If it's not found should be able to sue someone for stupidity.I hope you get it back

abuell

Who had possession of the coin when it was stolen?

Russ

<< <i>stolen in the Superior lot pick up room. >>



If it was still in the lot pickup room, isn't it Superior's responsibility?

Russ, NCNE

abuell

<< <i>

<< <i>stolen in the Superior lot pick up room. >>



If it was still in the lot pickup room, isn't it Superior's responsibility?

Russ, NCNE >>



Only if Superior had possession of the coin when it was stolen and that's the point that hasn't been clarified yet.

wjd283

I've never been in a "lot pick-up room"but I would hope it'd have more cameras than a casino.Still sounds like negligance to me!

jacktheknife

I would not assume that because it is such a unique coin that it will show up. I remember a 14-S Lincoln in 66RD that was being sold by Mike Printz of Larry Whitlow, Ltd that was stolen from a Fed Ex box. It was about 10 years ago, the coin has never resurfaced. I get sick thinking about such a coin getting cracked out and mishandled so it can be resold.

mgoodm3

high-profile coins such as that are probably hard to resell.

Russ

<< <i>I remember a 14-S Lincoln in 66RD that was being sold by Mike Printz of Larry Whitlow, Ltd that was stolen from a Fed Ex box. It was about 10 years ago, the coin has never resurfaced. >>



There's really no way to know whether or not it resurfaced. If it was cracked out and sold to a dealer somewhere it'd be pretty much impossible to trace it. Too many dealers and collectors in a very big world.

Russ, NCNE

nepbrs44

Shame to see that happen. This is a hobby of ladies and gentleman and it really sucks to think someone (who knew exactly what they were doing and what they were after) be such a lowlife and pull a stunt like that.

I can supply the tar & feathers when they catch em.

jacktheknife

Russ,

Exactly. If this coin is cracked out, it's all over. Unfortunately, the only way it can really be sold is outside the holder.

LAWMAN

If the coin was in Superior's Lot Pickup Room, then a Superior employee let it go to the wrong person or Superior did not maintain security as to items still in its possession. It would be interesting to see the paperwork on whether or not Superior tries to define the problem away (ie., once you win it at acution, it is yours and your responsibility). Even so, this sounds like it would be against public policy as you cannot contract away liability for your own negligence (at least not in California). Sounds like Superior is the one who should be offering the award.

The coin is a real hot potatoe in the PCGS slab. If they crack it out and sell it raw, yes it may be hard to trace. But, if they re-submit it to NGC or PCGS, shouldn't somebody be on the lookout for it?

This is another reason for PCGS and NGC to have stolen/lost coin registries on their websites.

Stuart

WonderCoin: I'm sorry to hear about your very unfortunate coin loss. The photo that you posted is of one gorgeous full-head SLQ. I hope that you beat the odds and are able to relocate it.

ms70

******ATTN: SM1 or CAROL******

Is it possible to "tack" this thread to the top?

Blade

Not sure if Carol will, but we can always ttt for a while.

foodude

ttt, what a bummer.

1jester

Awesome coin. Tragic loss. I hope it's found soon and the culprit(s) brought to justice.

marcalan84

I can't believe that $100,000 coins are handled so carelessly by a "Superior" Auction Company....that anything close to this could ever happen. I won't be sending any coins to Superior to be auctioned off if this all happened as a result of their negligence. On 2nd hand...who would want to steal any of my coins anyway?? I guess my coins are safe. I do hope they find the coin.....and that this was just some stupid mistake...instead of a thief stealing the coin.

PTVETTER

I also know what it is like having a coin stolen but not one like that!

foodude

I can't believe that $100,000 coins are handled so carelessly by a "Superior" Auction Company.... Are we sure we know all the facts? I heard about this on Thursday at the show, but the facts were sketchy. I heard a bit more about it today. So far I don't know very many facts, but have heard a few opinions. I don't know enough facts to know who might have been careless. So at this point I wouldn't blame Superior or anyone else involved.

I do agree, however, that it would appear that someone may have been a bit careless...

MacCoin

I hate a theif. if I knew anything I would sing like a songbird for nothing.

Barry

<< <i>You are correct - I don't know much about the process --- but ***how*** does something like that happen? >>


Mistakes are made. Just last month ANR mailed me a $15000 coin from an auction I never bid on (and obviously didn't pay for), and I heard of at least one other person to whom that happened. Yes, I sent it back.

src53

How do we know the item was stolen? Why couldn't it be temporarily misplaced? Seems to me Superior is responsible, but we obviously need to hear the facts. Hopefully someone will come on here, and inform us.

Another point: every coin has distinguishing characteristics, even if it has been dipped, etc. Why is everyone saying if this coin is broken out of the slab, it would be untraceable?

LucyBop

Whatever has happened, its just terrible news.

Gerry

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jpumper

absolute horror story---I truly hope it was misplaced. I'd suggest we don't speculate until all the facts are known.

Blade

src 53, regarding cracking out and distinguishing characteristics...

That is usually true and the MS/PR 65 and below grade levels, but look at that thing! Not a mark on it. Without obvious pedigree markers, it would be tough to tell.

I think the best opportunity for recovery is if someone goes to sell this coin alone (cracked and dipped) and a dealer gets suspicious. Unless you were a major specialist in SLQs or a high-end dealer, it would be extremely remote you would own this coin. Also, it would stand to reason that you would know a lot about the series and have many other SLQs in 66-67FH. Just having this one coin would be a warning sign to me. I suppose it's possible that someone could nick it up just a bit to knock it down to MS66FH - still a very valuable coin.

jcping

ttt

Mitch, could you give us more info about how the coin was stolen? Did Dave ever saw the coin in the Superior room when he tried to pick up the coin?

Skipper53

This kind of thing is happening far too often.
a dealer at the FUN show was followed to Ga.
and robbed at gunpoint !
Is there a new breed of badguy out there who
preys on coin dealers and collectors ?

caitlin

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DMWJR

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tgilliams

just terrible, but someday the theif will try and move the coin. hopefully will get caught and collect a nice stay in Leavenworth.

marcmoish

will all of you stop knocking everyone - yea I don't like Superior either too much for for crying out loud but none of you know the facts either - just help in trying to get it back for him.

BTW, if it is cracked out there is a tiny insignificant dot in front of the nose which can be used as an identifier - the coin is totally awsome - I'd hate to think some shlemiel breaking it out for whatever reasons.

Hopefully in the nest few days we'll hear good news.

Marc

Conder101

<< <i>I heard there was 2 ms 68 Washington quarters stolen a few years ago a 1935 and I forget the other one.
Those 2 coins have not been found yet. >>


Or they are out there in MS-67 slabs.





<< <i>That is usually true and the MS/PR 65 and below grade levels, but look at that thing! Not a mark on it. Without obvious pedigree markers, it would be tough to tell. >>


It looks like there is a small gash just below Liberty's right kneecap sloping down to the viewers right.

MrEureka

Or they are out there in MS-67 slabs.

More likely 69.