So what the heck did I get for the $ 3.50 I paid in shipping charges ?

wolfbear

An undersized envelope, with the unprotected slab just thrown in, and a 60 cent stamp.

Oh ... maybe putting a couple pieces of cardboard in might have cost the seller another 23 cents ?

2323

OHH, thats the kind of crap that makes me mad! I hope you give the guy a neg. if he doesn't make this right.

2323

BTW- can you pm me the seller or better yet tell us all so we don't have the same thing happen to us.

Dhjacks

pssssstttttt.........look on the envelope for a clue as to the seller.

Just teasing, they do sell under that name.

Funny thing is that I received a card from them last week and I'm pretty sure it was slabbed in cardboard.

Very sorry to see your card, that's got to be disappointing and irritating.

Virtualizard

Ebay ID: hometown-sports

Former Ebay ID was their email address: dcp77@yahoo.com

I have purchased a lot of items from Dennis (I believe that's his name). Shipping is high and you would assume insurance for that rate.

I hate the high shipping charges, but factor them into any bid I make. I know it's annoying to see a card arrive this way, but contact the seller and let us know what he says before anyone gets too crazy here. He may take care of the problem.

JEB.

Rush

I have had the same thing happen to me. Only once, thank God.
I emailed the seller and told him of the problem and hinted he should better protection for graded cards. I also sent along a scan of the shattered holder and destroyed card.
He refunded me right away. I think at least you should get your money back.

wolfbear

Problem is, I want to keep the card. So, here's the e-mail I sent him :

Hi,
I received this card in the mail today and the slab is badly cracked.
Could you please send me $ 5.00 so I can get it reholdered ?
Thank you,
my name and address

We'll see how it goes. Not trying to single out this one dealer,
but more to make the point that if you're not going to use a box,
a couple of pieces of cardboard would prevent this sort of thing from happening.

RobE

<< <i>Ebay ID: hometown-sports

Former Ebay ID was their email address: dcp77@yahoo.com

I have purchased a lot of items from Dennis (I believe that's his name). Shipping is high and you would assume insurance for that rate.

I hate the high shipping charges, but factor them into any bid I make. I know it's annoying to see a card arrive this way, but contact the seller and let us know what he says before anyone gets too crazy here. He may take care of the problem.

JEB. >>



Is that the guy out of Manchester CT?

NickM

FWIW, I've bought 2 lots of 4 PSA cards each from them. They put cardboard around each lot and then wrapped each lot in bubble wrap, and then put both into a large bubble envelope.

Nick

wolfbear

Nick, thank you for that.
At least now I know that, in fact, THEY ARE OUT TO GET ME !

toppsgun

Hey, that 60-cent stamp has not been cancelled by the Post Office. You can reuse the mailer.

dude

There are several reasons why I don't have eBay auctions between mid-November and early January. One of the reasons is that during that time period, many people are mailing heavy packages and the probability of small parcels getting damaged increases dramatically. On an earlier thread posted last week, Buckwheat also received a damaged card in the mail this past December.

That's a great looking card from a tough set. I hope it all works out for you Wolfbear.

SUPERPUNK813

Wolfbear, That kind of crap drives me NUTS! That seller sent me cards like that a few times so now i've stopped buying from them. I don't mind to pay a higher shipping charge if you get the item packaged good but that is crazy. I charge $4 for INSURED shipping in a BOX and i've never had anyone say that an item arrived broken. The crazy thing is that if you buy in bulk as i do you can get boxes to ship cards in even cheeper than those bubble mailers.

If it was me i wouldn't ask for $5.00 to reholder the card id ask for a full refund becouse of the way the card was shipped.

I guess not everyone packs cards as good as i do IN A BOX hey Wolfbear. (<shameless plug for myself)


Paul.

ironranger

That packing job is pretty lame. Dude make agood point about increased damage risk this time of the year. Aside from a lot of larger pakages being shipped, I always though the cold weather makes the plastic holders more brittle.

Paul, is the card damaged at all? That would be a shame and the card looks very nice!

Good luck with the seller and the reholdering.

Vargha

Is that the guy out of Manchester CT?

Rob -- Are you spoofing 2323?

qualitycards

<< <i>many people are mailing heavy packages and the probability of small parcels getting damaged increases dramatically. >>


DUDE - Maybe so! But in that span you mentioned. I've had over 100 PSA cards ship and none were reported as damaged.
What helps the probability of getting a damaged card is throwing a loose slab in a larger envelope without any more protection.
I personally do not want to deal w/ damaged returns or filing claims w/ my post office, so I wrap & package each card I sell or auction as if its a T206 Wagner - and to date not 1 card has ever arrived to someone damaged. I know I'm jinxing myself, but proper packaging takes away 99.9% of the risk...jay

PeterAldridge

in literally thousands of cards I have bought and/or sold, that were shipped in a padded envelope like that, I have only had 1 ever get damaged. I would say that is pretty good.

Rainman

i've bought 100s of bgs/psa cards and had them shipped that way (for the most part, excluding DSL who does a GREAT job of protecting the cards). only 2 arrived damaged- both from DSL (this was before they started using boxes to ship my cards). however, DSL promptly replaced the cards w/o any extra charge or hassle. i don't sell many graded cards, but when i do, i put the card in a team bag, place 2 thick slabs of cardboard around it, and sometimes put tissue paper on top of that...and then put it in a bubble envelope. so far, no problems. as a seller, i've only had 1 item damaged in transit to a buyer- and it wasn't a card. i've shipped hundreds of cards out during the holiday season and so far, no damage problems. i think if someone charges $3.50 for shipping, they should package it better AND use the $1.30 for insurance. this seller still would've made a profit of $1.60 had he done so- and that's already more than he should make.

Lothar52

is the card damaged?? i got a card once that was psa graded a 6 and was not damaged but the holder was cracked.

i emailed the guy for you to let him know we are all concerned so he knows more then just YOU may be upset by this occurence......

wolf, i hope he deals with this properly

lothar

wallst32

For higher dollar cards, I always request a cardboard box/priority mail, and will not buy unless the seller is willing to do that. This only costs $3.85 and the cardboard box is free at the post office. If you see someone charging more than this amount for shipping, always ask how the card will be shipped.
When I see someone charging $2 shipping, obviously it will be an envelope, so I'll request to pay the extra $2, and more often than not, they are willing to upgrade the shipping.

I started doing this becauseI had the same thing happen to me on a 84T Marino PSA 9, but the crack was a lot smaller, maybe only 3/4" long. The card was insured, so I didn't have any problems getting my money back.

Anyways, while it is unforutnate, the seller shouldn't assume any responsibility unless the item was insured. The reality is, many cards are shipped in a simlar fashion, and a very small percentage of them will get damaged.

wolfbear

Dennis, the seller, e-mailed me that he will send me a 5 dollar refund as I requested.

The card does not appear to be damaged, so I'll just have it reholdered at the National.
Hmmm ... maybe Dennis will spring for my round trip ticket to the National. Now THAT would be customer service ...

royalbrett

A very similar thing happened to me for this card

It wasn't cracked as bad as that, but still.

I emailed him with a scan but never got a response.

RobE

<< <i>Is that the guy out of Manchester CT?

Rob -- Are you spoofing 2323? >>




I don't think I know what your talking about.

RobE

I heard there is a big card shop in Manchester and always wondered if this ebayer is the same outfit.

Buckland Hills is part of a Mall or something too.

2323

Old man Vargha is just trying to slam on me, like I was 100% positive or something that the guys card shop was his e-bay ID. OOHH, Vargha knows his Ebay ID, well I didn't. Not everybody's ebay ID is they're address! I've got better things to do then know everybodys id in the whole world.

HOMETOWNSPORTS

hello: i am refunding $5 to get card reholdered. this is the first time this has happened in hundreds and hundreds of transactions. oh well i guess the post office can't be perfect. interesting how this issue ended up on these message boards.

2323

Hey, thats cool that you're sending him 5 bucks for reholdering, I just know how badly it sucks when a graded card shows up and the holder is cracked or really scratched up. He asked for 5 bucks and you sent it, thats a standup guy. I know if it was me I'd much rather have the card and holder show up in good shape, but you gave him what he asked for and that say's a lot. I would now bid on you're cards, as long as you promise to package them better.

valion87

Great service Hometown.

I got burned from a seller on Ebay when I purchased 10 raw lots. Ad said shipping $3 and I bought 10 lots. They sent me the invoice for 30 raw cards and charged me $30 shipping. I emailed and expressed myself. Didn't help. I'll never buy from them again. I emailed the seller and asked about combined shipping prior to end of auction, but no response so I took a chance. Wrong choice.

I always ship insured and use bubble wrap and boxes on high dollar items. I just want my cost covered. I'm not interested in making money on shipping costs and usually lose in the end, but this is a hobby not a job for me.

Gottabuyit

Hometownsports, the only thing you did wrong was charge an inflated shipping charge, and then ship it cheaply. If you need to charge someone for your "time" to get to the post office, you shouldn't be in business. Nickel and diming your customers is not a good way to keep your customers. That is a business expense that you eat, and do not unload it on to the customer. The only way a PSA card can be damaged in that type of envelope. If an obese postal employee sits on it, or if something heavy is dropped on it. You guys are really being overly sensitive about this card being in a padded envelope. They don't break that easily in padded envelopes. The damage that card got would have probably been similarly damaged in a box.

Dhjacks

Gottabuyit,
I must respectfully disagree with you. A reasonable handling fee is
a part of doing business. Again, I don't buy from people who charge obsene amounts for shipping. I factor it into my bidding when I do bid.

Gottabuyit

Come on DH, what this guy was doing was try to profit from the shipping. He didn't even have to wait at the post office. All he did was put a stamp on an envelope and drop the envelope in the mail box. That does not justify over $2.00 extra in shipping. If he needs to rip people off on shipping, he should stop selling and become an employee. If bidders stopped bidding on the overpriced shipping charge auctions, the shipping prices would dramatically go down.

murcerfan

The only way a PSA card can be damaged in that type of envelope. If an obese postal employee sits on it, or if something heavy is dropped on it. You guys are really being overly sensitive about this card being in a padded envelope. They don't break that easily in padded envelopes. The damage that card got would have probably been similarly damaged in a box.

that is not correct. a naked slab in an envelope (padded or not) is far more likely to be processed through a sorting machine and they get caught in them and crush quite esily. It is just laziness or stupidity to think that typical Postal handling is a gentle and forgiving thing. Cold weather also increases the brittleness factor of the plastic. Try putting a slab in your freezer and the whipping it at your wall edge first, if it breaks or cracks, you are ready to join Tipem down at the USPS.

take two slabs of corrugated cardboard about an inch bigger than the slab, make a sandwich and tape it firmly on all 4 sides, now slide it into your bubble mailer.......your slab is now Postal Proof.
........charge me a few bucks for the effort and to offset the paypal and e-bay fees a bit...and I am a happy customer every time.

Gottabuyit

that is not correct. a naked slab in an envelope (padded or not) is far more likely to be processed through a sorting machine and they get caught in them and crush quite esily. It is just laziness or stupidity to think that typical Postal handling is a gentle and forgiving thing. Cold weather also increases the brittleness factor of the plastic. Try putting a slab in your freezer and the whipping it at your wall edge first, if it breaks or cracks, you are ready to join Tipem down at the USPS.

take two slabs of corrugated cardboard about an inch bigger than the slab, make a sandwich and tape it firmly on all 4 sides, now slide it into your bubble mailer.......your slab is now Postal Proof.
........charge me a few bucks for the effort and to offset the paypal and e-bay fees a bit...and I am a happy customer every time. >>



I have tested the padded envelopes with a psa card in them. I have thrown them againsted the wals, off my roof top, etc. The only time there was damaged was when something small and dense, like my 10 lbs metal lifting plate, was dropped on it. Regular handling DOES NOT damage it. Severe reckless treatment will damage it, just as it would get damaged in a box.

murcerfan

welp...........your the boss.

Dhjacks

Here's what I think is funny. I put in bids on a dozen items with a seller and I win 5. I look at the shipping breakdown and discover that '5 to 7 items cost $6 for shipping'. Now I'm just dying to find 2 more items to buy cuz it's free shpping.

I get so sucked in to that one...every time, buying stuff I otherwise wouldn't even have considered.

2323

Gottabuyit- are you seriously throwing cards off you're roof? You really might need to find a more constructive hobby!

Gottabuyit

2323, if you are shipping expensive items, you want to be sure the item that you are putting them in is safe. I suggest you get a tissue because you have been doing a lot of crying in this thread. Only a fool just accepts something without seeing if it works.

DeutscherGeist

Hey, there is nothing wrong with a little quality control. I don't throw cards off the roof, but I throw them around my room to simulate post office handling. Actually, testing different kinds of ways to package and protect cards is an excellent activity to use in the classroom when teaching teens about physics--particulary inelastic collision, momentum, and gravity (if they are flung off the roof).

2323

Only a fool climbs up on his roof and throws baseball cards off it. 12 posts and you're already slamming people you putz!

2323

And as long as you're selling on ebay, why don't you pm me your ID so I know not to bid on your crap. Not that I'd want you're psa 8 Barry bond's cards anyway.

Gottabuyit

What is your id 2323? I will gladly put you on block little girl.

murcerfan

2323.
this is our old friend "noname".
don't let the 12 posts fool you, he's been slamming folks on the board for quite a while under various names.
he gets booted off (just like on e-bay) then creates a new identity .............and voila!
he's back for more............ and more and more.

2323

I figured he had been here before, most people don't come out swinging with only 12 posts. Instead of a fiddler on the roof, we have a baseball card tosser on the roof.

EvilleKlownie

Gottabuyit - thanks for the research.
Try this - Place the card up a well padded area of your body,
then leap off the roof and see if there's any damage to the slab.

Gottabuyit

nope, I am no one else other than me. You guys are pretty sad.

bhl2359

<< <i>nope, I am no one else other than me. You guys are pretty sad. >>



And you are a douche.

2323

You're throwing cards off you're roof, and you say we're sad?

DeutscherGeist

I remember "noname" He did slam a lot people on here and provoked them. I did not appreciate that one bit. Whatever happened to him? Did he really change his ID? Trolls are something we can do without.

dbj77

$5.00 is a bit excessive. I charge $2.50 for first class in a padded mailer with bubble wrap or cardboard inserts or both. The padded mailer costs me .75 cents and the shipping runs between $1.00 and $2.00 depending on where it's going. For $5.00 I would assume insured first class or else Priority mail at least.

Gottabuyit

So throwing cards in a padded envelope off a roof to test the strength of the protection to save me thousands of dollars in cards that could have gotten damaged is stupid, then call me a fool all day. I don't know who noname is and am not no name so try to get a girlfriend, or get out of the house more. You ARE sad. What is your ebay ID, so that I can put you on block 2323. You are not someone I would ever want to have any affiliation with.

murcerfan

So throwing cards in a padded envelope off a roof to test the strength of the protection to save me thousands of dollars in cards that could have gotten damaged is stupid, then call me a fool all day

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