Newp: 1965 SMS Washington; grading opinions welcomed...

RGL

Nice looking and cheap TT pick tonight. Anyone want to guess the grade and see how they fare vs. PCGS grade?

Russ

Can I guess even though I had it on my tracking list?

Russ, NCNE

cladking

MS-66 CAM

XpipedreamR

67DCAM

DHeath

It's a real beauty. Congratulations. I already know the grade, but I'd like to comment on the coin. It has EXCEPTIONAL mirrors for a 1965, and the reverse is extremely frosty for this issue. Killer coin, and one of my personal favorites.

itsnotjustme

66CAM?

JrGMan2004

68DCAM... but I really don't know too much about Washies, or Cameos and Deep Cameos...

airplanenut

66CAM over here... I'll take the prize if I'm right

FatMan

Do you want me to grade the coin or guess what PCGS graded it.

I would give it MS67CAM

PCGS MS67. The pops show that they are very tough on 65's when it comes to the designation.

RGL

Can you spell C-R-A-C-K-O-U-T? For $21, I'll take my chances...

JrGMan2004

What does SMS mean?

FatMan

<< <i>Can you spell C-R-A-C-K-O-U-T? For $21, I'll take my chances... >>


I agree! Crack that sucker

Russ

<< <i>What does SMS mean? >>



Special Mint Set. No proof or mint sets were produced from 1965 to 1967. The SMS is a hybrid - not a proof, but not a business strike.

Russ, NCNE

FC57Coins

Wow - excellent piece - and it didn't cam huh? I bet it will some day - that's pretty awesome for a 65 piece! Congrats!

DHeath

Randy,

Now that the grade is revealed, for fun, go look at the few that did make the designation. Most have pretty weak reverses, particularly the inner wings near the body. There is also ALWAYS a ring of die polish inside the obverse rim at 4:00 and 8:00. The area by the head on the reverse is usually not well mirrored. Most also have a streak on the obverse from 1:00 to 7:00 visible on the bust. My keeper 65 is not designated either. It is an NGC MS67 *. I have submitted a few that got the designation, but this one won't ever be sold.

FC57Coins

Wow Don - that's a keeper indeed!! You SUCK too! - but we already knew that

RGL

That coin is monster, Don ... what do the Big Two do on SMS coins? Throw darts or flip a coin? Geesh ...

tgilliams

MS67CAM

CarlWohlforth

Nice coin! Why not try NGC, maybe you'll get a star if no cameo?

seanq

Maybe it's just a lousy picture, but the cameo looks weak around George's hairline. It looks to me like one of those borderline 66CAM/67 coins, where PCGS bumped the numeric grade a point as consolation for not quite making the designation. Who knows, it could come back 66CAM next time through. Good luck with your resubmission.

Sean Reynolds

RGL

Thanks for all the opinions! Just for the fun of it, here's another 1965 SMS I picked up over the weekend for $5:

VamCollector

That was my coin and as usual.....they are very tough on SMS Washingtons.

RGL

Thanks for the very nice coin, Vam ... sorry it didn't go higher. I put in a much higher bid, but had no competition. I hope the '65 JFK more than makes up for it. Happy holidays to you -- and all!