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Guess the Grade!!! 2 Indian Head Cents! GRADE POSTED AT BOTTOM!

airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,726 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Wahoo! Time for a guess the grade!

From 1903:

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From 1906:

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    razorface1027razorface1027 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭
    I'll take a shot...64 & 63
    What is money, in reality, but dirty pieces of paper and metal upon which privilege is stamped?
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    razorface1027razorface1027 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭
    Oh yeah the 64 RB & 63 R
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    kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    #1 62RB

    #2 64RB

    Cameron Kiefer
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    CapAnsonCapAnson Posts: 204 ✭
    AU55 and MS 62
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    IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    03 looks AU58 R/B
    06 looks MS63 R or R/B

    They probably graded the 03 MS63. So are we suppose to guess the true grade or what is on the slab?image
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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    i want to say #1:58 and #2:63.
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    JoeHoltJoeHolt Posts: 395
    is the 03 pitted in front of the nose? or just the pic?

    03= MS60 RB
    06= MS61 RB
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,726 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>is the 03 pitted in front of the nose? or just the pic? >>

    It's not corrosion

    Hint: Both coins are uncirculated.
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    Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    First, The pic are fantastic. So clear and probably very representative of the actual coins.

    Grading these are still a toughy for me but I,ll give it a go......

    The `03 is UNC....MS62

    The `06 is UNC...MS63


    Are they NGCs or ANACSs..

    Nice coins and pics.
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    CoinAddictCoinAddict Posts: 5,571 ✭
    1903 is MS-63RB.image
    1906 is MS-62RB.image
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    OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64RB
    63RB
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,726 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Are they NGCs or ANACSs.. >>



    The first one is a first-generation (green label) PCI... the second is ANACS
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    XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭
    63RB

    62RB


    Added: Oh, I didn't see the first one was PCI...in that case 66Redimage
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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    64RD
    63RB

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    Catch22Catch22 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭
    63 RB and 64 Red


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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,726 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Added: Oh, I didn't see the first one was PCI...in that case 66Redimage >>

    GREEN PCI... this is back when they were respectable... if not much tighter than current PCGS. A lot of people have had luck upgrading, even by a few points, recently... gold PCI is what's terrible...
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    JasonRoxJasonRox Posts: 47
    I also vote

    64

    63

    Around there.

    ...or I'm guessing no higher than MS-70.
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    razorface1027razorface1027 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭
    Jeremy...The suspense is killin' me!...image
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    Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    dont tell us yet

    let more people chime in....image
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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would have said AU58 & MS65, but after the hint I know the AU guess doesn't agree with the graders, sooooo.......

    I don't know what to call the first one....



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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,726 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>dont tell us yet

    let more people chime in....image >>

    Okey Dokey! imageimage
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU58 (sweet!)
    MS62

    These are just gut-quick guesses... I know zip about Indian cents.
    When in doubt, don't.
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    FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Without looking at other answers. Coin 1.....AU55. Coin 2.....MS63.

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    BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    Both 62
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    FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,428 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They probably graded the 03 MS63. So are we suppose to guess the true grade or what is on the slab?image >>



    Its not mint state in this section of the country. image Maybe there are different standards for different sections of the USA.

    Ken
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    BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭
    1903-- 64RB
    1906-- 63RB
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    greghansengreghansen Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭
    Whoa, I must not know this series at all! My gut reaction was AU53 and AU58. Guess I'll stick to the silver coins!

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    darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    The first one has been messed with and is not a natural color so I would say UNC. details cleaned/recolored. The second one is a nice looking original coin MS63RB. mike image
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1903: AU55

    1906: MS62

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    LUCKOFTHEIRISHLUCKOFTHEIRISH Posts: 586 ✭
    MS60
    MS63
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    fountainheadgoldfountainheadgold Posts: 2,467 ✭
    1903 is ms64 rb
    1906 is ms63 rb
    Michael
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,678 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for waiting - just back in town from Grandpa and Grandma's:

    MS63RB
    MS62RB
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    shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    1903 - 63RB
    1906 - 62RB

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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,726 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok... I'll reveal the grades! image

    1903: PCI MS60RB (graded a long time ago... 60 no longer!)
    1906: ANACS MS63RB... just got this from BigD5... mostly red, very clean... looks like a 64

    Jeremy image
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    Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    Cool. I got one right BUT forgot to give color desig.
    Guess that really means I got NONE right huh.image

    Those great pics sure help to narrow the grade down fo sho.

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    LUCKOFTHEIRISHLUCKOFTHEIRISH Posts: 586 ✭
    Well, I came close but didn't think of the RB though. Just wanted to get a net grade.
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    IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Both are nice coins. The first coin is at best a 58 using NGC or PCGS grading standards. I think the reason most of you graded it MS was because of the obverse. Study the reverse, in particular the words one cent. They show signs of wear, which I think should make it a 58.
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    FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This Guess the Grade thread is probably the most interesting one that I have participated in. The diverse grades given to the 03 were quite interesting. Irishmike has given his reason for the grade he put on the coin and it would be of interest if some of the other people would chime in also.

    My reason for the grade I gave the 03 was because of the different color change in the fields directly in front of the Indian on the obverse and around one cent on the reverse. A long time dealer friend told me to always look for this when looking at copper coins. He said that this darkness was a dead give away that the coin had seen some minor circulation even if the coin shows very little if any wear to your eye.

    Of course we all were at a dis-advantage. A picture is not the same as holding the coin in hand. Still this was interesting.

    Ken
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,678 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I didn't guess AU58 because APN said both were unc. image
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,726 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Study the reverse, in particular the words one cent. They show signs of wear, which I think should make it a 58. >>

    Any more specifics on what exactly is the giveaway?

    Jeremy
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