POLL: Wildly toned Kennedy Half - real or cooked?

Russ · November 9, 2003 3:57AM

The coin is a clad proof.

Russ, NCNE

keets · November 9, 2003 4:02AM

i have one with similar color sans the yellow that i found in a misc. box at a country auction. the high points have a bit of friction/rub but it looks nice. gold is a common color, so i see no reason why it wouldn't be genuine. of course, i've been wrong before!!

al h.

stman · November 9, 2003 4:07AM

Looks like one of those bunk coins from your buddy on ebay.

mdwoods · November 9, 2003 4:08AM

I voted AT just to be contrary. I really don't know enough about AT coins to know for sure.

FC57Coins · November 9, 2003 4:12AM

the color looks acceptable - but I haven't seen it on both sides.

ksteelheader · November 9, 2003 6:06AM

I'll pass on a guess on this one. I've never seen that type of toning before and would just be bull$hitting if I guessed....Ken

MadMarty · November 9, 2003 6:10AM

Real but not Market acceptable

dragon · November 9, 2003 6:12AM

No good.

stman · November 9, 2003 7:07AM

TTT. I will elaborate how I feel about this coin. I will also admit I'm not up on how clad proofs tone. But the way that blue, and orange for that matter is all splotchy and looks like it's been put on with an eye-dropper, both sides looking similar.... Even if this coin is slabbed by one of the top services, I wouldn't be a buyer of this coin as an original toned clad proof.

Of course it's not a coin that's on my watch list either to be perfectly honest.

razorface1027 · November 9, 2003 7:18AM

Looks like it spent an hour in a annealing furnace at about 1500 F...

Baley · November 9, 2003 7:50AM

Only two choices, I have to decide if it was either 100% "natural" (whatever that is -) or it was baked in an oven?

what if it was (mis)- stored in someone's garage or hot attic for a couple years?

what if someone had it in an envelope in the laundry room for a couple months?

I have no idea what the details of this coin's history might be, can say that it was not stored in a manner that prevents toning.

If I had to guess, I'd say it's less than half "natural" (whatever that means) but not 100% "fake insta-bake" looking, provided that's a silver one. Not a big fan of the look, and I don't think the top grading companies will like it much either. could be wrong, though, there's always a first time

Russ · November 9, 2003 8:01AM

Baley,

If I added all that stuff I would just confuse myself.

I see we have three ladies who've voted.

Russ, NCNE

DHeath · November 9, 2003 8:02AM

Looks like a coin PCGS would find market acceptable. My guess is PR66-PR67.

Baley · November 9, 2003 8:02AM

Ok man, I'll take a stand. I think it had a little "help"

RGL · November 9, 2003 8:06AM

Well, I may be wrong, but if so, I am in the majority ...

baccaruda · November 9, 2003 8:08AM

Wingedliberty:

Russ is perpetuating the male dominance of the hobby. His poll forces our female counterparts to select option #3.

rainbowroosie · November 9, 2003 10:04AM

ATATATATATTATATATATTTATATATATTATATATATATTAATTATATATATTATATA...Yes, I think it is AT

Russ · November 9, 2003 10:33AM

I see we have a couple of people who couldn't decide for sure. Perhaps a clearer image would help.

BTW, it's graded PR67. I think Don must be some kind of genius.

Russ, NCNE

dragon · November 9, 2003 12:25PM

They missed the boat on that one, unless that pic was played with.

stman · November 9, 2003 12:28PM

I still believe the thing to be bunk.

stman · November 9, 2003 12:35PM

So Russ, there were few of us that gave our opinion in the thread. What's the "Poll" results, and what do you think?

rainbowroosie · November 9, 2003 12:38PM

I see the holder, I repeat my previous comment: ATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATAT

Russ · November 9, 2003 12:43PM

<< What's the "Poll" results, and what do you think? >>

I think that PCGS is never wrong and the coin must be natural toning or they would not have graded it.

Russ, NCNE

stman · November 9, 2003 12:47PM

Thanks WSM, I mean Russ.

Dog97 · November 9, 2003 12:49PM

Even after you posted the picture of the slab I still say AT.
The obv fingerprint is probably original.

Russ · November 9, 2003 12:51PM

Ah, but Dog, that's not a print, it's textile toning!

Russ, NCNE

rainbowroosie · November 9, 2003 12:53PM

OK, I'm wrong and the slab is right....now somebody tell me HOW the coin toned NATURALLY like that????? I await your expert comments....ATATATATATATATATATATATATATAT

stman · November 9, 2003 12:54PM

Ahhh.... textile toning on a clad proof. See this board is great for learning something new everyday.

BTW, they are called 'Toning breaks." or handling marks these days.

Russ · November 9, 2003 12:54PM

RR,

It is not for us to know, it is only for us to trust.

Russ, NCNE

Dog97 · November 9, 2003 1:08PM

Ok I see how you & stman are.
Textile toning with toning breaks from an original unsearched mint bag which laid unopened in the treasury vaults since the mid 1970's then.

stman · November 9, 2003 1:18PM

Dog, I think you've got it. And will now be sold with the catchy title of "Rainbow."

Dog97 · November 9, 2003 1:39PM

Yeah I think I finally got it stman. I'm starting to like this junk. Much more prettier than dull drab ORIGINAL material. As long as it's pretty and I like it who cares if it's real or AT.
I bet I probably know who graded it too. Remember that guy that said AT was ok and we should look for the good in all coins instead of being so negative?
A true L@@K!! MONSTER RAINBOW.

stman · November 9, 2003 1:42PM

<< bet I probably know who graded it too. Remember that guy that said AT was ok and we should look for the good in all coins instead of being so negative? >>

YUP, he went back grading for them. Of course remember who said it wasn't the same person we were talking about?

Dog97 · November 9, 2003 2:46PM

<<<Of course remember who said it wasn't the same person we were talking about?>>>
Yeah but I don't think it was really him (who) saying it wasn't him. I think it was somebody that wasn't him (who) saying it was him (who) so they could say the same person we were talking about really wasn't the same person we were talking about in case we remembered it and said something about it. That way him (who) could say I didn't say that he didn't say that or that him (who) could say he didn't say that he did say that.
It's not really me that said this thing was AT but somebody that's not me saying that just in case I have to answer for something that I said.
With all that being said, (or not said) I think it's pretty cool the way the blue stripe on the obv looks like Superman when he shoots his death ray from his eyes.
L@@K!!! MONSTER RAINBOW DEATHRAY COIN-RARE!

foodude · November 9, 2003 3:07PM

Send it in for regrade and see what they say the second time around

hoardmonster · November 9, 2003 3:09PM

I said it was real even before I saw it in the slab, but now I'm not so sure. I don't know enough about AT to have an informed opinion. I guess I chose real because I thought it had to be a "trick" question.

stman · November 9, 2003 3:22PM

Well Dog, I must be sick because after reading what you just wrote a couple times. I understand it. Man you a trip.

MacCoin · November 9, 2003 9:29PM

looks like someone peed on you half Russ

DHeath · November 9, 2003 10:07PM

See this board is great for learning something new everyday.

Today's lesson -

1. Russ was bored
2. PCGS put it in a holder
3. You guys have a wicked sense of humor.

BTW - Being the cheater I am (I already knew it was holdered), I was very careful to only say PCGS found it market acceptable. Hey, it could be textile toning. Maybe it was stored in the washrag used to wipe up a liver of sulphur spill.

MadMarty · November 9, 2003 10:36PM

I have a question, when was it slabbed? As we found out with the nickels, PCGS would slab wild toned coins in the past.

MacCoin · November 9, 2003 11:05PM

<< I think that PCGS is never wrong and the coin must be natural toning or they would not have graded it. >>

Steve27 · November 9, 2003 11:22PM

I voted AT because the toning is uniform on both sides. I fail to see how this could happen without help.

Deadhorse · November 9, 2003 11:45PM

<< I have a question, when was it slabbed? As we found out with the nickels, PCGS would slab wild toned coins in the past. >>

My thoughts EXACTLY!!

Russ · November 10, 2003 2:25AM

<< I have a question, when was it slabbed? >>

Marty,

It was on an order that completed the same day you got that truckload of bodybagged proof Jeffersons.

Actually, I don't know. It was relatively recently, though, as it's in a new holder. It was listed on eBay a while back and I just about fell out of my chair when I saw it, so I saved the images.

Russ, NCNE

LAWMAN · November 10, 2003 3:03AM

I know you'd have to be nuts to do it, but I'll bet that if you cracked it out and re-submitted i,t they'd bodybag it for AT. Of course, that's just my opinion. Looks like it sat with the potatoes under the barbecue grill.

BillJones · November 10, 2003 4:04AM

It looks AT to me. The color seems to "lay" on top of the surface of the coin, like it says in the PCGS grading guide.

RiffRaff1967 · November 10, 2003 4:41AM

I voted AT. Not that I am remotely close to being an expert, but it doesn't look natural at all.

POLL: Wildly toned Kennedy Half - real or cooked?

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