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boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I bought this coin off ebay last week and I am hoping someone can tell me more about it. I know it is an essai piece but thats about it. I bought the coin because it looked very similar to one of my US pattern coins.


Can someone post an image of a regular issue 1848 10c?

Mark image

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  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    Here are several links 1848 10 c
    1848 10c
    1848 10c
    1848 10c
    These pictures show the possible diversity of the periods 10c coins and all of these are described as essai coins, not regular issue

    Here's another, described as a "contest of 10 centimes, rogat piefort"
    1848 contest oiece

    Since there seem to be so many essai pieces, maybe the word contest is relevant here. Maybe you have a piece that is not well known-that would be niceimage
    One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics
    is that you end up being governed by inferiors. – Plato
  • farthingfarthing Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭
    Beautiful pattern Boiler! image

    There's something about a woman wearing a chicken helmet that just excites me image
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  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Awesome coin Mark.
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
  • spinaker2000spinaker2000 Posts: 4,329 ✭
    you have a very good taste, beautiful piece. image
    Terry

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  • 1jester1jester Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭
    "There's something about a woman wearing a chicken helmet that just excites me." --Farthing.

    Wow, that Farthing is a strange one... image


    Boiler, I think your pattern is stunning. Not only for the well-balanced and graceful design, but the awesome strike and color.

    I can see that Darkside patterns are now set to double in price...

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    .....GOD
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    "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9

    "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5

    "For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sure hope foreign patterns don't double in price! Not right away at least.image Here is the US pattern that prompted me to buy the French piece. The fact that the price was 300x cheaper didn't hurt either!image
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    On the US version Barber substituted an eagle for the chicken.image
  • 1jester1jester Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭
    Boiler, I'm sure you have one of the most fascinating collections in coin-dom...image

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    .....GOD
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    "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9

    "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5

    "For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
  • SYRACUSIANSYRACUSIAN Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭✭
    That's a superb pattern half dollar image
    Dimitri



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  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    Boiler, is that essai a billon alloy?

    There was no regular issue 1848 10c. France did adopt this obverse in 1849 in the 20 centime & 50c. denoms (ooops, looks like she lost the chicken cap) for a few years but then old Nappy III had his mug put back on the coinage....pity, that!

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  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks Dimitri.image I collect US pattern half dollars.

    Mac- I believe the coin is aluminum but it is in a slab so I am not 100% sure. What did France use on the 1849 10c?

    Laurent suggested that maybe a design competition was held in 1848 and this was one of the entries.
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What did France use on the 1849 10c? >>

    Ones which were minted in 1809! image

    France did not mint that denom. for circ from 1810 to 1851; they resumed in 1852 with the left-facing Napoleon III with the 'goat beard'. The obv. I showed above was finally in use across the spectrum by about 1870 until 1897.



    << <i>Laurent suggested that maybe a design competition was held in 1848 and this was one of the entries. >>



    That sounds very plausible. It's a shame the current "comps." in the US can't cut the mustard like in the old days.

    Very nice 1/2 dollar patterns, btw......rather "dark" looking.....love that eagle in front of the shield!! image
  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mac- The half dollar pattern is actually a black and white ultra cameo but all I have is a scanner and the mirror fields on my silver proof coins always come out "black" image I am hoping to get a digital camera for Christmas and maybe photography lessons?image

    Is the 1849 20c struck in a billon alloy? (I accidentaly typed 10c in my previous postimage)
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    The 20 centime is 90% silver, weight 1.000 gr. (tiny coin), per Krause, the mintage is only 4,877. Heritage sold one (MS65?) a while back. The 1849s are the keys in that design in the 20c. & 50c.
  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    Mark-I looked a number of times this weekend for that pattern of yours without any luckimage Sooner or later though, it will be found! Again, nice pieceimage
    One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics
    is that you end up being governed by inferiors. – Plato
  • farthingfarthing Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭
    Women in chicken helmets! image
    image
    R.I.P. Wayne, Brad
    Collecting:
    Conder tokens
    19th & 20th Century coins from Great Britain and the Realm
  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WOW! farthing thats some chick! What the heck is that?image
  • farthingfarthing Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭
    Or in Bronze!
    image
    R.I.P. Wayne, Brad
    Collecting:
    Conder tokens
    19th & 20th Century coins from Great Britain and the Realm
  • farthingfarthing Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭
    Boiler - French medals by Louis Oscar Roty. Roty's most famous work was "Semeuse" the Sower of seads so famous on French coins.
    R.I.P. Wayne, Brad
    Collecting:
    Conder tokens
    19th & 20th Century coins from Great Britain and the Realm
  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very cool! I have soooo much to learn if I am going to play in this neighborhood.image Now where can I get me some of those?
  • farthingfarthing Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭
    Both of these are currently on eBay - seller linasl

    Note: once you bid on one of his auctions you WILL be receiving an email each time he puts up more medals for auction. I believe you can opt-out of the emails though.

    I do not follow medals by Roty so I am unsure how much these will fetch. Askari will probably have a good idea of their eBay worth.
    R.I.P. Wayne, Brad
    Collecting:
    Conder tokens
    19th & 20th Century coins from Great Britain and the Realm
  • 1jester1jester Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭
    "Very cool! I have soooo much to learn if I am going to play in this neighborhood.image" --Boiler, collector of most cool patterns

    The great thing is that you don't have to know much, if anything, to play in the Dark!!!

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    .....GOD
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    "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9

    "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5

    "For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
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