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LucyBop

Cat, I would say on future auctions request a image of the steps......

Dog97

The seller gave you time to examine the coin to decide if you liked it even if it was only 3 days. But you had other personal stuff that kept you from deciding if you agreed with his description and the assigned PCGS grade for 2 weeks so NO, you don't have any room to complain.

relayer

Looks to me like you slept on your return rights and time marched on past you.

A 3 day return isn't a week after you get back from a 2-week absence.

Edited to suggest feedback

"I won the auction Sep 5th and when I wanted to return it in late October he refused."

coinguy1

Clackamas,

I'd recommend a change of the thread title to something (more) fair and neutral. You might not get as many hits, but you might also receive more objective replies.

Edited to add: So far, it looks like you're getting objective replies anyway.

roadrunner

Clackamas,

If you exceeded a return window becasue you were out of town, that was strictly your responsibility. If that was going to be an issue it had to be stated up front with the seller. I have found ebay sellers less and less willing to allow returns unless they explicitly state so in the auction policies. It is getting to be, if not stated, then NO RETURNS. I've had this happen to me 3 times now with junk sent to me in holders (stained and/or hacked). Each time the seller said it was NGC/PCGS's fault and not theirs. It's to the point that I have to bid on something, I ask if there is a return policy if the coin is not as stated. For generic coins it doesn't matter as much or at all.

If the coin was in a 67 FS holder then the seller is neither a liar nor cheat. He may however be stupid, ignorant, or a scammer. I don't know what HUGE means. Could be that Jeff's head is huge on the obverse. I just had a blowout with a seller over an NGC64 gold coin that was all scuffed up and really just a nice 63. He called it a "gem" and provided fuzzy photos to back it up. Pretty much the same situation. We will exchange obligatory negs and move on. While I would have settled for my money back less postage, he wanted to charge me the 3% ebay fee to boot and this was not stated in his policies. I found that to be quite unsaintly of him.

I intially replied to the thread because I thought I might be the forum member (liar and cheat) who you were talking about

roadrunner

razorface1027

Your BEEF isn't with the seller, it should be with the grader. He's a vendor not a grader...The LABEL tells no lies!....

clackamas

ConstellatioCollector

If you knew you were not going to be in town for delivery (I know he held the check for 10 days) then a email to the seller was in order prior to leaving on your trip. Unfortunately, I think that you should attempt to talk to the seller again and tell him your predicament. Hopefully, it was not too much money? Holding the check for 10 days is normal, though I check to see if it clears my account after 4 days, so I think you don't have any ground to stand on.

I have to agree with previous messages about the grader was responsible but, if the seller did not embellish then there is no recourse.

razorface1027

Did you BUY the coin (in the PCGS holder of course) or the ITEM DESCRIPTION?

elwood

It's in a PCGS holder. It has to be accurately graded. I thought all PCGS coins were PQ.

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razorface1027

Well Elwood, most would like to believe what you've stated. However, let's gander at the broader perspective, and merely my opinion.....#1: THE GRADERS AREN'T INFALLIBLE..#2 Remember, it's merely my opinion...THE GRADERS ARE TOKING TOO MUCH CALIFORNIA HOMEGROWN before, during and after they've graded the razor's coins...

lordmarcovan

Sorry if you got a sour deal. Maybe he should have been more accomodating, but I think your title was a bit much. (I see you edited it, now.) Hope it works out.

I just got a coin (a raw MS60-61 $20 Liberty) from a fellow forum member that had some rather heavy digs on it that he either failed to mention or I failed to notice (or both). The coin was a low-end UNC so I expected some bagmarks and scuffs consistent with the grade on such a big gold piece, but the digs at the top of the obverse were too much, and they were definitely bodybag material. Even considering the unexpected problem on the coin, and the fact that my first check was lost in transit and I had to stop payment on it (another $20 gone), I was prepared to keep the coin, because I could still do OK on it in spite of all that.

I just PM'ed the seller (politely, with no anger or name-calling) and told him that the coin was not what I expected, and that while I would keep it, I wasn't totally thrilled with the way the deal went down. I didn't blame anyone, since he and I AND the postal service probably all shared a little of the blame for my disappointment.

I'm happy to say he was a perfect gentleman about the whole thing and sent me a small, partial refund- just enough to cover the fees I had to pay to cancel the first check that got lost. That small refund made the difference between me being neutral to slightly dissatisfied with the deal and my being perfectly content with it. Just a small gesture from the seller made a big difference, and now I can keep the coin without feeling too miserable. (Aside from the unexpected digs, it was correctly graded and does have some nice luster). And I didn't ASK for the refund- just hinted that I was not 100% thrilled. He offered the refund on his own. I just wanted a gesture of some sort, and fortunately, he made it.

I guess what I'm sayin' is, there is often a happy middle ground to be reached, if one is patient and keeps it cool.

Sorry you were unhappy with the deal you got, but remember, we're a family here, and it ain't worth smearing somebody with harsh language, particularly over an inexpensive coin. You have every right to air your grievances here if you feel you've gotten shafted by a fellow member who's turned a deaf ear to regular private communication, but it should be done tactfully- if at all.

(Edited to fix typos. You did the right thing by editing your post. Guess you just needed to vent, huh? We all do, sometimes.)

MrEureka

What are we ignoring?

clackamas

>>What are we ignoring?

My venting over a bad Ebay deal.

Tootawl

<< <i>What are we ignoring? >>


Someone who is unhappy with a coin he bought.