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At eBay’s request - they were responding to a complaint by a seller - I provided them with the following string of messages. Note that I was the BUYER in this transaction. Enjoy!
-----Original Message-----
From: (deleted)
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:58 AM
To: andyl@eurekatrading.com
Subject: Item number: (deleted)
PLEASE EMAIL ME YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE 1997 COIN EBAY ITEM # (deleted) THE PAPER THE ADDRESS WAS ON WAS WET WHEN I RECEIVED THE CHECK AND I CANT READ IT,, THANKS JAMIE
-----Original Message-----
From: (deleted)
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:39 AM
To: andyl@eurekatrading.com
Subject: Item#(deleted)
hello, i received the coin back today, and the package is stamped signuture refused by addressee.... confirm your address with me again.. i dont understand what up.. confirm the address with me and ill send it fed-ex next day to you so youll have it on wed. if i get your address so enough.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lustig [mailto:andyl@eurekatrading.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:01 AM
To: (deleted)
Subject: RE: Item#(deleted)
I don’t understand that either. For Fedex purposes, please use the following address:
Andy Lustig
(My street address was provided)
Thank you.
-----Original Message-----
From: (deleted)
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:36 PM
To: andyl@eurekatrading.com
Subject: Re: Item#(deleted)
i dont want to inconvince you or delay your item any longer so ill send it fed-ex next day to you... youll have it on wed.. thanks Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lustig [mailto:andyl@eurekatrading.com]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 11:04 AM
To: (deleted)
Subject: RE: Item#(deleted)
Jamie –
It’s Friday and I still don’t have the package. Please provide a Fedex tracking number. I expect to hear from you TODAY.
Thank you.
NOTE: I RECEIVED NO RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE MESSAGE. THE NEXT COMMUNICATION WAS AS FOLLOWS:
-----Original Message-----
From: (deleted)
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:42 AM
To: andyl@eurekatrading.com
Subject: (deleted)
YOUR ABOUT A DUMB SON-OF-A-BIT..CH FOR LEAVING A NEG. FEEDBACK. I HAVE SENT EBAY A COPY OF THE FED-EX BILL WERE IT WAS SENT LAST THURSDAY AND WHERE IT IS IN TRANSIT..WELL ANY WAYS, I LEFT YOU A NEGITIVE ALSO.. SO, HAVE A BAD DAY,AS..HOLE..
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lustig [mailto:andyl@eurekatrading.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:08 AM
To: (deleted)
Subject: RE: cion
Jamie –
Received the coin today. Thank you.
BTW, Fedex says that they picked the package up at 5:33 PM yesterday. Honest communications could have prevented the negative feedback.
-----Original Message-----
From: (deleted)
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:01 PM
To: andyl@eurekatrading.com
Subject: Re: FW: Item#(deleted)
TIME ABOUT IS FAIR PLAY. .... NOW THAT YOU RECEIVED THE COIN VIA FED-EX, ILL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE LEGAL PROCEEDS OF THIS MATTER FOR THE NEG. FEEDBACK YOU LEFT, AND THE ADVURSE AFFECT IT WILL HAVE ON MY REPUTATION ON EBAY.. ILL BE IN TOUCH, JAMIE
-----Original Message-----
From: (deleted)
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:58 AM
To: andyl@eurekatrading.com
Subject: Item number: (deleted)
PLEASE EMAIL ME YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE 1997 COIN EBAY ITEM # (deleted) THE PAPER THE ADDRESS WAS ON WAS WET WHEN I RECEIVED THE CHECK AND I CANT READ IT,, THANKS JAMIE
-----Original Message-----
From: (deleted)
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:39 AM
To: andyl@eurekatrading.com
Subject: Item#(deleted)
hello, i received the coin back today, and the package is stamped signuture refused by addressee.... confirm your address with me again.. i dont understand what up.. confirm the address with me and ill send it fed-ex next day to you so youll have it on wed. if i get your address so enough.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lustig [mailto:andyl@eurekatrading.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:01 AM
To: (deleted)
Subject: RE: Item#(deleted)
I don’t understand that either. For Fedex purposes, please use the following address:
Andy Lustig
(My street address was provided)
Thank you.
-----Original Message-----
From: (deleted)
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:36 PM
To: andyl@eurekatrading.com
Subject: Re: Item#(deleted)
i dont want to inconvince you or delay your item any longer so ill send it fed-ex next day to you... youll have it on wed.. thanks Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lustig [mailto:andyl@eurekatrading.com]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 11:04 AM
To: (deleted)
Subject: RE: Item#(deleted)
Jamie –
It’s Friday and I still don’t have the package. Please provide a Fedex tracking number. I expect to hear from you TODAY.
Thank you.
NOTE: I RECEIVED NO RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE MESSAGE. THE NEXT COMMUNICATION WAS AS FOLLOWS:
-----Original Message-----
From: (deleted)
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:42 AM
To: andyl@eurekatrading.com
Subject: (deleted)
YOUR ABOUT A DUMB SON-OF-A-BIT..CH FOR LEAVING A NEG. FEEDBACK. I HAVE SENT EBAY A COPY OF THE FED-EX BILL WERE IT WAS SENT LAST THURSDAY AND WHERE IT IS IN TRANSIT..WELL ANY WAYS, I LEFT YOU A NEGITIVE ALSO.. SO, HAVE A BAD DAY,AS..HOLE..
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lustig [mailto:andyl@eurekatrading.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:08 AM
To: (deleted)
Subject: RE: cion
Jamie –
Received the coin today. Thank you.
BTW, Fedex says that they picked the package up at 5:33 PM yesterday. Honest communications could have prevented the negative feedback.
-----Original Message-----
From: (deleted)
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:01 PM
To: andyl@eurekatrading.com
Subject: Re: FW: Item#(deleted)
TIME ABOUT IS FAIR PLAY. .... NOW THAT YOU RECEIVED THE COIN VIA FED-EX, ILL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE LEGAL PROCEEDS OF THIS MATTER FOR THE NEG. FEEDBACK YOU LEFT, AND THE ADVURSE AFFECT IT WILL HAVE ON MY REPUTATION ON EBAY.. ILL BE IN TOUCH, JAMIE
Andy Lustig
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<< <i>Wow, a nice walk in the pasture was ruined when you stepped on a muffin. >>
Would that be a meadow muffin?
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Absolutely, from a bull.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
<< <i>ILL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE LEGAL PROCEEDS OF THIS MATTER FOR THE NEG. FEEDBACK YOU LEFT >>
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
Russ, NCNE
People take their Negs seriously
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Me too. I knew I'd get nailed with a payback "neg", but figured I had no choice. I owe it to the community to provide honest feedback.
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<< <i>What do you suppose that clown was smoking? >>
You unfairly disparage "herb"... he was undoubtably drinking.
A true "head" would blow it off.
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You unfairly disparage "herb"... he was undoubtably drinking.
A true "head" would blow it off. >>
Too true ... though he could have been smoking crack.
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YOU MEAN LIKE STEWART BLAY???
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BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
OH BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Ok well tI just got my laugh for the day...that is just too funny...
Your a modern collector??
damaged his Ebay reputation!
Would you cast him out in the street among lepers? Would you sell his children into bondage? Would you empty his fridge that he no longer have beer on Sunday?
A cruel master you are. Cruel, thoughtless and vile. May he find hope and brotherhood in more loving waters than the Bay of Eee.
St. Clankeye
Forbid it, Almighty God!
I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!
~PATRICK HENRY~
"gem" as described by him. His response was that if you can't trust PCGS and NGC what is the world coming to? Huh? He's just a poor ole seller and my complaint should be with NGC. Get real. Since when are NGC and PCGS the end all? I can see if he had a stated no-return policy but he didn't. The REAL KICKER was attempting to charge me a 3% restocking fee that also was never mentioned. His reasoning was that ebay was going to charge him for the transaction and that he was not about to lose money on the deal. Seems that he never heard about contacting ebay to cancel the transaction and get his commission back. Why does ebay have to be littered with know-nothing sellers like this?
Shipping both ways and a 3% restock fee comes to a total loss of 7% just for privilege of seeing a coin.
Others have similar policies but at least they have clearly stated verbage to stand behind. I just love it when sellers make up rules to fit the situation.
roadrunner
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Is suppose that guy will have a difficult time getting a membership on Eureka Trading
Thanks for having the intestinal fortitude to neg the guy when you did and as you did. Your actions not only will benefit folks considering a bid on his coins, but also will give him second thoughts the next time he decides to lie and screw around with an honest buyer.
Thanks again.
No. There are only seven days in a week. To recap:
He told me he was mailing on Oct 8. (That was already late, supposedly because his note with my address got wet.)
The he told me on Oct 14 that the pacage was returned by the USPS because "signature refused by addressee". (Huh?)
Oct 14, he also said he would Fedex the coin and I would have it on Oct 15.
The package did not arrive on Oct 15 as promised.
The package did not arrive on Oct 16.
On the morning of October 17, the package had still not arrived and I asked for the tracking number. No response.
On Oct 18, I continued to wait for a response.
On the evening of October 19, I neg'd him, stating "Probably a fraud. Still haven't received my coin. Contact me for an update."
Was told too many lies. I have no regrets.
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and the seller gets hostile, he deserves it. If you can't maintain a
professional manner, then you should stay in your cage.
<< <i>Andy, the neg was justified. Heck, once the profanity starts flying and the seller gets hostile, he deserves it. If you can't maintain a professional manner, then you should stay in your cage. >>
The profanity started flying AFTER the neg. was posted, not before (for clarification's sake).
+I've had personal checks arrive three weeks past an auction close.
+I've had coins take up to a month to arrive.
+I've had (a member here) write me at the end of an auction telling me "the coin has misplaced and can't be found" when the closing price was half of what he was expecting.
Yet I've never given out a Neg. (only one neutral) and have left no feedback in a few cases. Negatives should be reserved for out and out fraud and blatant scams/lies.
Miscommunications that are fixed (and rather quickly- within two weeks here- true?) and YOU LIKED the COIN don't warrant Negative Feedback, in my opinion.
Negative feedback is also a tool to warn others in a loud voice. What are others being warned of here?
peacockcoins
<< <i>What are others being warned of here? >>
that the seller is a LIAR
At the time I left the feedback, it seemed highly likely that the sale was a fraud. If you have any doubts about that, please review the original post. My feedback stated "Probably a fraud. Still haven't received my coin. Contact me for an update." How much clearer can that be? How long would you have had me wait before posting a "warning" to other buyers? If the guy had been a pure scam artist (and I use the word "artist" in the "performance art" sense of the word), how many people could have been taken because I waited to leave the neg?
Edited to say that this was only the second neg I have ever left. I have no regrets about either one.
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Andy, you should have neg'd him the first day. That way you would have recieved it right away.
As for real reasons for things to take so long, none of those apply here.
I have had things take a month to get to me, and a month to get to a buyer. I just tell them to wait the 30 days it takes to file a claim. (this seller did not claim it was in the mail and to wait). It was a bad address, then a return and then his alarm didn't go off, then ....
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<< <i>What are others being warned of here? At the time I left the feedback, it seemed highly likely that the sale was a fraud. If you have any doubts about that, please review the original post. My feedback stated "Probably a fraud. Still haven't received my coin. Contact me for an update." How much clearer can that be? How long would you have had me wait before posting a "warning" to other buyers? If the guy had been a pure scam artist (and I use the word "artist" in the "performance art" sense of the word), how many people could have been taken because I waited to leave the neg? Edited to say that this was only the second neg I have ever left. I have no regrets about either one. >>
OK, good enough.
As a side note: how is the coin?
peacockcoins
There really needs to be a stupid law, and that guy owes $5.00 for violating it.
You HO!!!
It was a rip!
It was a PCGS MS 69 FDR $5 at less than $200. Which, BTW, made the whole thing seem more likely to be a scam.
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Seth
About $3 an hour...before legal fees!
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Doug
If FEDEX showed the package as not being received until 1 day after the neg, when the seller said it would be next day, then the seller was lying or plain wrong. If they had no plans to get it out the next day, or ran into a problem, they should have told Andy that.
Maybe Andy was right and it was a scam and his "impatience", as others have stated, actually scared the seller into sending it out to him asap.
Whatever it is, the seller has a duty to ship an item soon after the auction (yes....soon...a relative term, but it shouldn't be more than 3-5 days unless otherwise communicated) just as the buyer as the obligation to pay soon after the auction (again, soon, a relative term, but maybe that is why some sellers state they expect payment within X# of days (I have seen 3 and I have seen 10)).
If the seller was communicated with and there were such problems, the seller should have let the buyer know (hey, sorry....couldn't get to the PO today so I will try tomorrow and keep you informed).
There are those that will always disagree....maybe because it hits too close to home or they just see 1 side of it. But, I tried to look at both sides. It was just that the timeline (again, if it occurred as Andy has stated) is so damn incriminating along with the "communication problems".
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Are you a seller in any capacity?
Doug
And, before you attack me in any capacity about it, since I am not a seller, please understand that I consider it a large difference in sellers of those that sell a lot on ebay (business of some sort) and those that are casual. If you, as a seller, treat it as a business, then I expect my package out within 48 hours. I expect you to have it available for sale, unless otherwise stated in the auction, and to be ready to have it sent out within 48 hours unless otherwise stated.
If you are a casual seller, then, I think that you, as a seller, should get it out within 3-5 business days (once a week). That way, it can cover people that can only go to the PO on Saturdays. I have no problems with that, as long as it is communicated.
And, before you attack me as only a buyer, remember, communication is key. If a seller can't be bothered with updated communication, then they should expect possible problems.
So, uofa1285, are you a seller on ebay? As a seller, do you believe that it was appropriate of the seller to do things the way he did them? Do you think he should have ignored Andy or told him one thing about the shipping, then not have done anything until a week+ later and only after the neg?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Based on your personal comments in a previous thread and then this one, I just wanted to confirm some impressions I was getting...confirmed.
Doug
I don't think I scared him. Somehow, I think that he thought that delivering the coin would clear the way for a defamation lawsuit. It may seem like a really stupid idea, but what did you expect from this guy?
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peacockcoins
Doesn't take much of an imagination to figure this out.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.