1909 vdb matte proof
tlhoy
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You go to an auction. You buy a bag of "old coins" for $200. You open it and find among other coins an 1804 half cent Fine+ - 1845 & 1854 large cent MS and 2 red plastic capital type holders that are etched in gold lettering saying 1909 vdb matte proof!. The coins inside are indeed 1909 vdb but how do I tell if they are matte proof? I have a picture of one of them but I have no way of posting it. Thanks
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09/07/2006
09/07/2006
Looks like a start, the rims and letters of "ONE CENT" appear squared. Otherwise, tough to tell from the photos.
1. Die polish lines show on front of and on top of Lincoln's nose.
2. A die scratch from the back of Lincoln's coat going into the field below the right leg of the R of LIBERTY.
3. Die chip to the right of M in UNUM on reverse.
There are pictures of these diagnostics in the ANA Counterfeit Detection book issued in 1988. The analysis is by Leonard Albrecht of the ANA which was done in 1983. To the best of my knowledge, PCGS and other top tier grading services will check for these diagnostics on this coin before certifying. They are not easy to see unless you have a good loope at at least 10x with good lighting. Since the coin is a Matte proof, not a brilliant proof, it is easy to mistake it as a circulation version. Good luck with this. Steve
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If you are (justifiably) confident that you can remove the coin from its holder without getting fingerprints on it, damaging it, etc., take a look at the edges - if they are shiny / brilliant , that would be one point in favor of its possible Proof status.
Send me both coins and I will tell you undoubtedly what you have and what their worth !!!
Stewart Blay
Russ, NCNE
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I believe the OP was, regrettably, banned at some point a year or two ago.....he wouldn't be able to comment here. He is a sometimes poster on the Open Forum Refuge so maybe someone there, that reads here as well, can ask him and find out. Would be cool if it was.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Holy cow. That was like one of my first posts on the CU forum.
Sadly, they are both business strikes. Here is a better photo I took of the one cosmicdebris posted for me back then.
Damn I miss that forum
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I remember this thread!
Glenn was banned? Wow, I always thought of him as one of the good guys.
As for the coin, the weakness in the inside rims on reverse precludes it from being a 1909-VDB Matte Proof IMO.
in a thread here he asked if it was a matte and updated the thread that it graded pr65....anyone here remember that or can find it???
My Complete PROOF Lincoln Cent with Major Varieties(1909-2015)Set Registry