ICG loses more credibility...
bushmaster8
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Watching the Home Shopping Network guy hawk their wonderful coin bargains the other day, I was a bit surprised to hear the salesman refer to the fact that Keith Love (CEO of ICG) has been on their show!
Then when I thought about it, it made perfect sense: only an idiot would buy coins from HSN, so why not have the president of the Idiot Grading Service on the show!
Then when I thought about it, it made perfect sense: only an idiot would buy coins from HSN, so why not have the president of the Idiot Grading Service on the show!
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Cameron Kiefer
My point is that Keith Love appearing a show that rips off naive collectors seems to be an incredibly stupid marketing blunder on ICG's part.
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And I dont care what Keith said, just the fact that he appeared on the show further discredits ICG IMO.
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He is a great guy and before you try to discredit him, get the facts in line.
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Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Yes, but you won't see Rick Montgomery or David Hall on HSN!
My point is that Keith Love appearing a show that rips off naive collectors seems to be an incredibly stupid marketing blunder on ICG's part. >>
You must've missed the Coin Vault shows where NGC was representing. I forgot the guy who was on, but he was there under the auspices of NGC hawking their new multi-holder.
Does that taint NGC in your mind?
do onto others as you would do for yourself
<< <i>They also sell NGC coins and I have seen PCGS coins also >>
so K Love gets out to do a little marketing
if only an idiot would buy coins from HSN why are you watching it.
are you sure you not a closet HSN customer
Don't worry ScarsdaleCoin we ain't all going to bash IGC.
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<< <i>I do care who was where I still like ICG coin.
<< <i>They also sell NGC coins and I have seen PCGS coins also >>
so K Love get out to do a little marketing
if only an idiot would buy coins from HSN why are you watching it.
are you sure you not a closet HSN customer
Don't worry ScarsdaleCoin we ain't all going to bash IGC. >>
I agree with Mac.... I think "Bushmaster" is a closet HSN buyer!!!
<< <i>My point is that Keith Love appearing a show that rips off naive collectors seems to be an incredibly stupid marketing blunder on ICG's part. >>
I am a marketing manager and I would say it is possibily the best marketing move he could make. If, as you say, HSN customers are new naive buyers then it is possible IGC slabs will be their first experience with grading services. If their experiences are good, they will have no issues going back to ICG when they learn more and are ready to start submitting coins. NCG and PCGS would still have to show their worth against the proven IGC in their inexperienced minds.
If the IGC president's appearance nets them a few dozen customers then it was probably worth it. I doubt they are getting a few dozen customers off the street as the word around is NGC and PGSC.
I can think of a dozen reasons not to have high capacity magazines, but it's the reasons I haven't thought about that I need them.
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Thank you PCGS for staying on the high ground!
Cameron Kiefer
I can think of a dozen reasons not to have high capacity magazines, but it's the reasons I haven't thought about that I need them.
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Is his first priority expanding PCGS to cover more of the state?
ASEC- a 66 is a 66 if you think that way... the problem is, at least with HSN, most coins are in ICG 70 slabs... ICG has gotten so loose that a PCGS69, and sometimes 68 can pull more money than an ICG 70. HSN markets these as perfect coins that are exceedingly rare... accurately graded, a coin where you just can't see a tick may be rare... but in ICG holders, they certainly aren't rare at all.
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what some people may seem to lose forethought of- is the coin itself- the COIN is the mystery to most of us, and I am a NEWBIE at collecting. I don't look at the holder- I look at the coin, if I like it and it is the right price for what I can or am willing to spend then I buy it. Anyone can slab a coin and sell it- but back in 1878- pcgs was not even a twinkle, nor ngc, icg, pci, anacs, etc.- MARKETING what you have in any manner will $ELL.
BTW- Modern:
PCGS is not the perfect grader, considering what I just recently went through with them, and then showing many 'professionals' what the 'grade' was given- some were in disbelief, some were downright amazed. Spend little to get graded= low grade. $pend $$= good grade, $pend $$$$=best grade.
Michael Dell came on HSN to sell Dells once. So does that discredit Dell.
Bottom line. The ICG grading standards are different from PCGS, NGC and even ANACS. It is another point of confusion that only muddies the waters further. Reduced liquidity and inability to determine what the thing is worth are tough nuts to overlook.
Most buyers just won't take the time to even look at anything else but PCGS & NGC. The risk is not worth it, at least not on UNC/PF coins. ICG moderns may be a different story and one that I know nothing about.
roadrunner
<< <i>Think this post is just a bash of ICG and quite an unfair one at that.......but since we are on a PCGS host board, I am sure it will stay until it drops to the bottom......however I wonder if the post read PCGS loses more credibility ...dont you think it would be pulled? and by the way bushmaster8 how would you feel if your name was posted with a title bushmaster8 loses more credibility
do onto others as you would do for yourself >>
I agree 110%.
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<< <i>a comment made by man of Moderns back in sept. on this post appears to me that he is a seller of PCGS coins. >>
That would be back in September of 2003. BTW, FanOfModerns is just some other member's troll handle. Feel free to ignore "it".
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<< <i>but I made over $30,000 crossing one coin from ICG to PCGS .. >>
That wouldn't happen to be an MS67 Lincoln?
Russ, NCNE
I love stuff like that. Coin comes up at auction, basically gets ignored by all the big guys, buyer steps up to the plate and gets rewarded for having the nads to plunk down the money. Rock on!
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Actually, I think a smart collector who knows how to grade their series, can find some real nice deals in ICG holders!
I agree with this- the key word in above sentence being "smart".......
Just my two cents
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