Who's going to Fort Washington?

FB · September 11, 2003 12:05AM

Just curious as to which of you "gentlemen" will I have to hide from while I'm there!

I plan on being there Friday night.

GoSoxBoSox · September 11, 2003 12:08AM

You're killing me Frank. Don't rub it in.

LuxuryWines · September 11, 2003 1:27AM

I am in for Friday night negotiating for Saturday afternoon....

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FB · September 11, 2003 1:58AM

Ahh yes... the art of negotiation....

Since I spent mightily at Nationals, I don't need to push for more than Friday night this time around. By December, I probably will be looking to add part of Saturday too.

ChrisKK · September 11, 2003 4:18AM

what year / type of raw cards do you find the most at this show? more modern than vintage? lots of NM-MT few MINT cards? all baseball no non-sports cards?

i am going to start traveling to some other shows (not much new in NH) and i don't want to make an eight hour trip for 1999 basketball (not that there is anything wrong with that

)

chris

FB · September 11, 2003 4:28AM

Chris,

I will spend my 4 hours rummaging through raw cards from the mid to late 60's baseball. Most of what I find is crap... Finding the NM/MT or better raw has become a downright brutal exercise. There are a few dealers that have it, but you have to put in the time weeding through the NM and EXMT cards that look great from 3 feet.

If I were in your shoes, I'm not sure that I would travel the 8 hours for the Fort (I might - I just don't have to make that decision). I drive 90 minutes and I'm there and I can usually find $500 worth of NM/MT raw anywhere from 60 to 72 during my time there. But, once you start factoring in hotel and 400 miles worth of gas each way, plus food - your costs are significantly higher than mine will be.

GoSoxBoSox · September 11, 2003 5:53AM

Chris KK,

Ft. Washington is in my opinion the best standard show (4 times a year) in the metro philly area. The only place to find decent vintage dealers. If you're into vintage it's definitely wortht the trip every so often.

gaspipe26 · September 11, 2003 7:01AM

The Fort has not been very good in my opinion the last 2 or 3 times. I have a hard time finding very much there. But I will still be there Friday with my "get in 15 min early pass"

Bob-gaspipe

ChrisKK · September 11, 2003 7:15AM

i think i will pass on this one but try to make the next. anyone know of some good dealers between NH and the Fort?

where else do people get their, high quality, raw cards from?

- local dealers
- ebay (unopened material)
- internet (other dealers)
- ????

chris

sjjs28 · September 11, 2003 11:36AM

I'm in for the fort....
I'm in for Friday ...
I'm not looking for anything you're looking for Frank - so no need to arrive early friday evening .....

ejguru · September 11, 2003 8:20PM

Who are you and why have you hijacked Steve's account?

Steve--A new venture? I should be there Friday--will confirm next week.

E

FB · September 15, 2003 8:05AM

Alright...

Looks like I'll catch Steve S, EJguru and Bob Cacamese. Jeff, we've emailed before but I don't know that we've ever met at a show - hopefully, we catch up on Friday.

dalew · September 15, 2003 8:38AM

Did someone say that the next one was going to be in Cleveland?

Thats only 27 miles for me.

Anyone want to rent the Wedge mansion???

Dale

murcerfan · September 15, 2003 8:50AM

I believe the next fort washington show will be in horsham or willow grove.

1420sports · September 15, 2003 9:02AM

Dave, how did you hear that?

murcerfan · September 15, 2003 9:14AM

Neal.
Just joshing Dale a bit.
Horsham, Ft. Washinton and Willow Grove.......... all pretty much one and the same, to me anyways.
I think Dale was confusing the National to be held next summer in Cleveland, and we just can't be cutting anybody slack around here

As far as I've heard the Fort will outlive us all at it's current location

The53Kid · September 15, 2003 12:35PM

Count me in for Friday as well.

With the strong tailwind from the hurricane I should be arriving early.

Hey Luxury? Give me a shout I have a question for you about 2 of your cards. mccanna@erols.com

Thanks,
Bruce

Davalillo · September 20, 2003 1:46AM

Friday at Ft. Washington looked to be busy with virtually all of the usual major dealers present. I was there from 1 to 5pm and when I left long line of collectors ready to come in.

Among the major vintage dealers there were 707, Superior, Mile High, Kurtz Kards, Greg Bussineau, Shoebox, Skerbes, Dave Forman, Bill Goodwin, Joe Checkowicz, Piedmont, Peter Lalos, Joe Tauriello, East Coast Sports Cards,Andy Madec, Paul Stark and Shoeless Joe's. Whoops also the guys from Mastronet but not to buy cards. Alan Rosen was in a wheelchair--do not know what was wrong.

Did a major transaction with Chris Porter who continues to be the easiest major dealer to do business wilth. He sells high quality cards I need at reasonable prices, buys back lower grade ones I have at80% and gives me a major line of credit--the guy is the best.

Also thanks to Jay Wolt who diligently puts together high quality sets for the fun of it and then sells them to me near his cost. Thanks Jay--love doing business with you.

Among the collecting luminaries there was none other than Mike Rakosi, the king of vintage basketball ,and the equally famous collector simply known as "The Rabbi". Mike has the number 1 set for 1948 Bowman posted. Not posted are his 57 Topps and 61 Fleer which is above 9.1 and above Branca's set.
Also met Dave Lemon for first time--good guy and Dave we will figure a way to do business.

As far as grading companies, PSA and SGC there but GAI had plane troubles and arrived late. Overall, SGC a little bit of a greater presence but primarily in modern cards --GAI cards were seen at a number of tables--probably a slight uptick from last time.

But the best thing--not one Kellogg card to be seen at the whole show.

Davalillo

Stump · September 20, 2003 2:41AM

Jim

Thanks for the update from the show and boo on no Kellogg's.

Dave

MyBigToe · September 20, 2003 2:56AM

<< <i>Alan Rosen was in a wheelchair--do not know what was wrong. >>

There is plenty wrong with him. Most of which is beyond any medical treatment that he could seek since it is at the level of his soul (Vargha suffers from the same affliction). It is however refreshing to learn that he is or was suffering in some capacity. I am speculating that the wheelchair requirement was as a result of a long overdue ass whipping or maybe he finally had that item removed from his rear that has made him such a vile person for so long.

Smiling,

MBT

brumbach · September 20, 2003 3:59AM

<< <i><< Alan Rosen was in a wheelchair--do not know what was wrong. >>

There is plenty wrong with him. Most of which is beyond any medical treatment that he could seek since it is at the level of his soul (Vargha suffers from the same affliction). It is however refreshing to learn that he is or was suffering in some capacity. I am speculating that the wheelchair requirement was as a result of a long overdue ass whipping or maybe he finally had that item removed from his rear that has made him such a vile person for so long. >>

He was up and walking this morning when I was there, he appeared to be his normal happy chipper self.

KING KELLOGG · September 20, 2003 4:22AM

Stump...

Just consider the source.

I'm glad everyone got to hunt for whatever they were collecting.

I guess that's why they advertise card shows for all...

Let it go....

Larry

Davalillo · September 20, 2003 4:39AM

KKellogg,

Stump doesn't need to let anything go--you are the one with the problem.

There were cards for everyone--a fair amount of other modern cards--just no Kelloggs or Toys r us cards--at least that I saw.

Davalillo

KING KELLOGG · September 20, 2003 4:50AM

To the board...

Collect what you want to collect...

No further comments would benefit anyone on this latest issue.

Larry

GoSoxBoSox · September 20, 2003 5:14AM

While Davilillo may be a little rough on the Kellogg and Toys R Us collectors......I must admit he's funny. I hate those cards as well. But as they say, to each his own.

Davalillo · September 20, 2003 5:23AM

Thanks Tom,

Look forward to seeing you Frank and Jeff for the "tour" on that Saturday. I will hide my Kellogg cards for you.

Davalillo

GoSoxBoSox · September 20, 2003 6:30AM

<< <i>I will hide my Kellogg cards for you. >>

Davilillo,

If you have Kellogg's cards tell me now so I don't waste the trip. I'll consider you a total fraud

Davalillo · September 20, 2003 6:43AM

Tom,

Don't worry--I hide them in a dark place--deep in the corner of my closet--so noone will laugh at me.

Jim

ejguru · September 20, 2003 6:50AM

Actually I did see a bunch of Kelloggs cards down towards the SGC end of the floor. That part was pretty much empty last night, and on my search mission for a fellow set registrant, I may have scored a few nice ones. They were mid 70's and newer, in card saver I's. I was also told several full sets of K cards changed hands prior to the show opening to the general public, but have no more details. Does anyone know?

E

Davalillo · September 20, 2003 6:57AM

One dealer told me he just got back 40 complete sets(there is no end to the supply) graded from psa so probably it was him.

FB · September 20, 2003 7:33AM

Didn't see much in the way of Kellogg's last night - but ran into Steve, EJ and Jeff. Picked up some nice 71 High Numbers and a 71 Rose that I pretty sure will grade out 8 as well.

I was checking out the inventory of one dealer from Virginia that had a nice assortment of Callahan's, Kahns and some other regional stuff from the 50's. I may eventually take on a nice dog food set from the 50's or a weiner set from the 60's.

murcerfan · September 20, 2003 8:23AM

Hey King Kellogg.
wanna buy a '68 3-d Boog Powell?

GoSoxBoSox · September 20, 2003 8:40AM

Am I crazy or are these dealers have a tough time getting new vintage inventory? Every fringin' FT. W. show is getting like ground hogs day.

I'm stooping to buying cards for my third and four choice sets which means upgrading only. there's not much fun in that

FB · September 20, 2003 8:50AM

I can tell you that it was slim pickins for 67's... But, then again... every table I went to, I noticed Steve and EJ walking away making those diabolical laughing sounds.....

ejguru · September 20, 2003 9:06AM

hooohooohahhhaaaahhaaaa....

It was well past 5:05 p.m. when I sat down at Set Builders. Even stopped to chat with Mr. Bradshaw before got there. No matter how you slice it Frank, you were marked tardy. Unfortunately, the folks at the S.F. show last week beat all of us to the top shelf stuff...

Score of the show for me was finally getting my 1968 #5 Leader card into a PSA 8 holder (on-site grading, YES!:3dancingsmiley

. Still need one, that pesky Koosman RC.

E

Machodoc · September 20, 2003 10:03AM

Sounds like FW was a strong show, which is always good news for the hobby. For those who live to bash other's collecting preferences, I'll just remind you that this is just a hobby, and not exactly one of the most important things in life.

My family got a dose of "real life" last Thursday when we lived to talk about hurricane Isabel. I'll just say it was an "eventful" 16 hours. We got off lucky with only a couple of very large trees down, smashed satellite dishes, and just a few shingles off the roof. No one was hurt, and to steal a line from Walter Lord, it was truly a "night to remember". Our power has been off since Thursday afternon, and we don't really expect to get it back until mid week at best. The Dahlgren naval base which is less than 2 miles from where I live clocked sustained winds at 87 MPH with 101 MPH gusts. If you really want to get life's priorities straight, then I suggest that a visit to a little Potomac River town called Colonial Beach (which is 15 minutes from my place). Little CB got trashed but good.

Living through an experience like that certainly gives one proper perspective on life and makes a hobby like this all the more enjoyable. That's why I have little patience with anyone who goes out of their way to trash the collecting preferences of others. Cards are just one thing I collect, so if you want to collect bottlecaps, frisbees, or banjo strings, then more power to you!

Sorry I couldn't make FW, but maybe next time. In the meantime, we are all breathing easier, and enjoying the "music" of chain saws and home generators.

Anyone have any spare D cell batteries?

PS - My 1972 set is now at 51%, so I should move up a couple of notches.

mcastaldi · September 20, 2003 11:40AM

Machdoc> I hope those new 72s I sent ya didn't blow away too

Glad you and your family is OK.

Mike

Basilone · September 20, 2003 1:38PM

Hope all is well with the Duke of Mint....he is in VA Beach..right in the center of the action.

John

kimo75 · September 21, 2003 9:54AM

I went to the show on Sat for the first time sice I moved to Ohio in 1999. Needless to say I feel again as I always did that this is THE best show. I've built half my collection there. The 350 mile trip was made at the first table I stopped at when I found a 1981 Kelloggs Progression Proof Set of Stargell for only $25. A steal at that price. Also found an unused 67 coke cap and several 62 Post Canadians for my set. Was it just me or did it seem that the dealers of new cards were mostly placed in the back? Great show.

Need: Stargells in PSA 8 +
Kahns Stargells
1965 Topps Stargell Autographed
1962 Post Canadian Baseball

Virtualizard · September 21, 2003 10:22AM

Kimo,

Welcome to the boards. I haven't seen you here before - I guess I missed your posts over the past month.

I am also a Stargell collector and so are several others here on the boards - Basilone & Machodoc.

Are you going to list a Stargell set on either the Basic or Master registry (or are you already there)?

Let me know if you have anything that I may need. I'm paying top dollar right now for Stargell's - just ask John

This '65 Kahns Weiners card is still my favorite Stargell from my collection:

JEB.

Basilone · September 21, 2003 10:31AM

Yes...I know all too well about your Stargell purchases. It is tough competing against a guy has some deep pockets right now thanks to several set sales.

John

EOMINT · September 21, 2003 10:49AM

For you Stargell lovers...

EO

pc · September 21, 2003 11:50AM

<< <i>For you Stargell lovers...

EO >>

boring

kimo75 · September 21, 2003 12:03PM

Basilone,

You must have me confused with someone else. My pockets are anything but deep. I do however sell to support my collecting. Helps quite a bit. As far as virtualizard, I've just begun to collect the graded versions of Stargell. My sickness runs deep as I have found it necessary for example to not only have one of all his mainstream cards, but all of them autographed too. Can't help it he was my boyhood hero. I also find it necessary to have multiples of everything for no particular reason. The PSA kick started accidentally when I bought a 1970 Kelloggs in 8, just because it was a good deal. Well 25+ 8s or 9s later and I'm hooked. Seems that at some level ungraded cards are almost worthlesss compared to their graded counterparts. Any way, nice to meet some fellow Stargell collectors, we should swap lists and help each other out.

Basilone · September 21, 2003 12:07PM

Kimo-

I wasnt talking about you...its our friend JEB you have to worry about .... "virtualized" on these boards. JEB has just sold off some serious sets and has some extra cash to go after those Stargells we all cherish. With October 31st coming up in a couple of months (the registry awards)...now may be the time to sell off some cards to him (if you think you can get them again in the future).

John

kimo75 · September 21, 2003 12:08PM

Another Fort Washington observation: Is the guy from 707 really serious. I love walking past his tables in Pittsburgh and Philly for the past 10 years to see his prices. My favorites from this Saturday were: 1969 Clemente PSA 8 for $500 and 1960 Berra PSA 2 for $25. Does he really sell cards at these prices?! I've heard that he rents the display cases and that is how he makes his money.

Basilone · September 21, 2003 12:09PM

In terms of cards needed...Im on the registry for both basic and master Stargell sets under "John Basilone"

Let me know if you have extras.

John

kimo75 · September 21, 2003 12:10PM

Are you strictly PSA or do you collect all of his other stuff too?

Basilone · September 21, 2003 12:11PM

You should tell 707 that yours truly paid $546.03 for a 1969 Clemente PSA 9 last week. See what type of reaction you get from him.....

Remember.....you always get ripped off and you get terrible service buying off other collectors on eBay.

LOL..

John

Basilone · September 21, 2003 12:12PM

Strictly PSA my man.....its the company I trust (the most).

John

kimo75 · September 21, 2003 12:22PM

What I meant was do you collect Stargell stuff like proofs,venezuelans,cellos,etc. Some of these such as the venezuelans may not get much higher than a 6 but the rarity is incredible. I agree that PSA is the best.
Another 707 beauty : 1969 Stargell PSA 8: $75. I paid $28 on ebay.

Who's going to Fort Washington?

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