Quiz - Why is this coin so fake it stinks to high Heaven?

tradedollarnut · July 22, 2003 1:52PM

MrEureka · July 22, 2003 1:54PM

Besides the fact that it "looks" completely bogus? The last eight in the date is 30% too big!

mbbiker · July 22, 2003 1:54PM

I don't know if this is right or not but the eagles head just dosn't look right to me. I don't know much about high grade TD's but it just doesn't look right to me.

Placid · July 22, 2003 1:56PM

itsnotjustme · July 22, 2003 2:01PM

Here's a real 78-S to compare....

CoinResource · July 22, 2003 2:09PM

I've seen fake trade dollars: look at the rim, you can see imperfetions in the rim and denticles. This helps you indentify real from fake. -cr

rwhite · July 22, 2003 2:10PM

The date is bad..

edit: I guess i should have looked at the responses before I spoke!

lclugza · July 22, 2003 2:15PM

For one thing, the denticles on the "1878CC" appear shorter than on the 1878S.

Jupiter · July 22, 2003 2:50PM

yeppers..that dickwad also ran other bogus ebay auctions and then bragged about it here ..what a tool

TWQG · July 22, 2003 4:15PM

Type I reverses were last used in 1876. The berry between the Eagle's left claw should not be there.

k10 · July 22, 2003 4:22PM

Didn't this guy already sell this same coin a little while ago?

DCAMFranklin · July 22, 2003 5:13PM

One has to wonder what kind of dumb butt would bid on and win an obvious counterfeit trade dollar!?

Hadleydog · July 22, 2003 5:48PM

One has to wonder what kind of dumb butt would bid on and win an obvious counterfeit trade dollar!?
That kind of attitude I think our hobby could do without.

Flying56eagle · July 22, 2003 7:22PM

Some one who collects counterfiet coins
Thats who

ccrdragon · July 22, 2003 9:51PM

Do you mean besides the fact that that particular seller is claiming that the coin is 'most likely real' .....???????

NumisEd · July 22, 2003 10:02PM

the seller, carterhaines, is a forum member and, allegedly, a teenager. He is obviously a criminal in training, based on his bogus auctions and his experiments with AT. He is a punk who will surely end up in jail sooner or later. Hey carterhaines, don't drop the soap.....

Conder101 · July 22, 2003 11:16PM

8 in date is way too large and it has type I obv and rev both of which were last used in 1876.

dorkkarl · July 22, 2003 11:38PM

it's fake because it is a counterfeit.

K S

mrdq · July 22, 2003 11:48PM

TURN HIM IN!!!!

CarlWohlforth · July 22, 2003 11:54PM

It is not so obvious to me as I don't know the difference between a type 1 and later designs. I couldn't see a berry in the left claw. The big 8 in the date is obvious to me.

ER · July 23, 2003 2:24AM

Probably made by the ChiCom.

Russ · July 23, 2003 2:27AM

The kid is movin' on up! He's graduated from cleaned AT'd Morgans to counterfeit Trade Dollars.

Russ, NCNE

dorkkarl · July 23, 2003 3:21AM

is he really a forum member? if so, it's a serous allegation.

K S

coinguy1 · July 23, 2003 3:24AM

Karl, sadly he is a forum member.

k10 · July 23, 2003 3:29AM

interestingly enough, carterscoins4 has bid in two of carterhaines auctions...AND NO OTHERS. Carterhaines has purported to be 13 years old here, yet speaks with the vocabulary of someone much older. Carterhaines has also claimed to have very little money, yet he has inquired about an overseas purchase of a foreign coin in excess of $1000.

Russ · July 23, 2003 3:31AM

Karl,

Click here for a taste of the kid's work.

Russ, NCNE

tradedollarnut · July 23, 2003 3:38AM

#1 tell on the 78CC is the berry under the eagle's claw. Secondary tell is the weakness on the E in FINE and the lack of period after the E. Tertiary tell is the poorly defined denticles. The last two apply to his other auction as well.

Both his coins for sale are copies. Note that the Reverse on the 78CC and the reverse on the 76CC have the same flaw in the E of "FINE" and no period.

lclugza · July 23, 2003 3:44AM

Someone must have used a genuine 1873-76 CC coin to make the dies, then changed the "6" to an "8."

Here's a Morgan dollar comparison that shows the same shortened denticles on the fake coin on the right (a real coin is on the left):

Clankeye · July 23, 2003 3:49AM

Russ--

That thread appeared while I was on vacation. I had no idea. Marvelous entertainment. Thanks for the link.

Clankeye

kamehameha00 · July 23, 2003 3:55AM

I don't know much about Trade Dollars period and that just dosen't look right to me.

KlectorKid · July 23, 2003 4:08AM

Man that guys is nothing but trouble get his butt kicked outta E-bay. He scammed a guy out of 72 dollars on a badly done at circulated morgan. (the guy must have been stupid to bid though.) I think ScamCrook should use his magic powers on his gold coin auction going for over 700 $.

keoj · July 23, 2003 4:20AM

As stated in one of the previous threads, there are several attributes that are wrong:

1) The 8 looks like it has been worked
2) The Obverse is a type I. Type I's went out of production in 1876. The diagnostics are the following: Type I's have the ribbon "LIBERTY" has the tips pointing to the left (as you look at it) and Miss Liberty's hand holding the branch with have a thumb and three fingers. Type Two coins have the tips pointing down and the hand will have a thumb and four fingers distinct.
3) Th Reverse is a type I as well. Again, as noted earlier, Type I reverses went out of production in 1876 as well. Type I's have the berry centered in the right claw as you view it on the reverse, Type II's have no berry in the claw.

Pictures that TDN attached, show these differences well. There are several other diagnostics of Type I and II obverse and reverse but they are subtle relative to the ones above. Hope this helps.

keoj

KlectorKid · July 23, 2003 4:21AM

Wow he bought some mini torches. Link

keoj · July 23, 2003 4:30AM

Oh, by the way, the 1878-CC is a really obvious fake.....TDN and EVP and I have all seen much better ones. There are some sellers that don't sell many coins and I expect that they are not experts (ie ignorance is acceptable in this case). However, there are other sellers which just use this supposed lack of knowledge to peddle counterfeits to the unsuspecting. If this is a seller that sells many coins on eBay, then I would expect a rudimentary level of knowledge in what was being sold. Shame!

keoj

lclugza · July 23, 2003 4:40AM

The period after AMERICA is missing on the "1876CC" and "1878CC" as well.

CarlWohlforth · July 23, 2003 4:40AM

Thanks for the thread. I really appreciate learning something about fake Trade Dollars and copies in general.

Russ · July 23, 2003 5:44AM

<< <i>Wow he bought some mini torches. Link >>

Looks like Carterhaines just completed his Aswimmer workshop series.

Russ, NCNE

legacycoin · July 23, 2003 9:43AM

The seller's Seated dollars are also obvious fakes/alterations as well. The 1847 $10 may or may not be authentic (appears to be from the scan), but it's certainly no MS-61. Buyer beware......

dorkkarl · July 23, 2003 9:29PM

carterhaines, shame on you.

what goes around comes around.

K S

Quiz - Why is this coin so fake it stinks to high Heaven?

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