The hair curl by the star and the mouth just do not look quite right to me, but I tend to be paraniod with expensive raw coins on eBay. I would not want to buy any coin for that much raw.
Tthe raised line behind the head makes me think it is supposed to be or is the head of 95- high relief, 3 leaf variety.
Placid has it right...it shows all the diagnostics of the B-5, BB-27 die variety, featuring the head of'95 obverse and three leaves reverse, with the typical raised "bar" in the field behind Liberty's head, resulting from a scratch in the die. The creation of these dies has the portrait of Liberty in higher relief than other varieties, and so the hair detail generally comes weaker than the rest of the coin. This specimen shows the typical wear pattern, suggesting to me that it is a genuine specimen.
What I find "jaw dropping" about this one is the price. The coin does not look AU to me. If you ignore Liberty's hair (which generally is weak), you will still see the rounding of the stars, the flatness of the eagle's tail, the rounding of the edges of the leaves, and the hairlines in the field from a more than brief time in circulation (and perhaps a bit of a cleaning as well). It looks more of a higher-end VF to lower-end XF to me. Here's a coin that was graded as XF-40 by PCGS, for comparison:
Definitely looks harshly cleaned. Coin has hairlines and may have even been gently whizzed. The coin is raw! If not slabbed then paying the listed price seems beyond foolish and is bordering on the insane.
$30 for registered shipping? According to my calculations, the actual cost would be under $20. Coin looks genuine to me, but is harshly cleaned and not worth anything near what he is asking.
If I were trying to sell a coin @ $12,600.00, I'd at least provide a picture that was shot at a 90 degree angle so that the coin would not be shaped like an egg, or take a picture that did not have weird color.
If coin sells it will be to a very daring and foolish (IMO) person.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
I cannot think of a single legitimate reason why a coin like this would not be in a holder. I'd bet it has been submitted and either a) It was graded far lower than the grade the seller claims, or b) It was bodybagged.
<< <i> cannot think of a single legitimate reason why a coin like this would not be in a holder. >>
Legitimate reason: I don't collect slabbed coins, I like them raw. Then when I go to sell it I want to sell it now or I may need to sell it quickly, not pay a bunch of money for some unknown persons opinion about my coin and wait three months for it to come back before I can sell it.
Sure by having it slabbed I may be able to get more money from some people aren't sure of their own abilities to judge things, but the specialists who can will probably still do ok by me.
I agree with Conder. This FH dollar did pretty well on its own, being bought and sold for 191 years without the 'benefit' of slabs. The long a Collector has been seeking these earlier material the less important the "slab" is. The shorter period of time, the more important.
Many Collectors I run into that collect with a passion these much earlier, Classic coins will look at you with puzzlement and bewilderment when you bring up the idea of slabbing their collection.
The sharpness of this coin is about equal to the one in my collection. My piece has some adjustment marks on the obverse, but they have never bothered me, and they have never bothered anyone who has seen the piece.
When I bought it over ten years ago, it was graded VF-25. Today it is in an NGC EF-40 holder. One might call that "grade-flation."
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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I hate it when you see my post before I can edit the spelling.
Always looking for nice type coins
my local dealer
Too bad about the wire-brushing though.
The hair curl by the star and the mouth just do not look quite right to me, but I tend to be paraniod with expensive raw coins on eBay. I would not want to buy any coin for that much raw.
Tthe raised line behind the head makes me think it is supposed to be or is the head of 95- high relief, 3 leaf variety.
What I find "jaw dropping" about this one is the price. The coin does not look AU to me. If you ignore Liberty's hair (which generally is weak), you will still see the rounding of the stars, the flatness of the eagle's tail, the rounding of the edges of the leaves, and the hairlines in the field from a more than brief time in circulation (and perhaps a bit of a cleaning as well). It looks more of a higher-end VF to lower-end XF to me. Here's a coin that was graded as XF-40 by PCGS, for comparison:
If coin sells it will be to a very daring and foolish
Russ, NCNE
<< <i> cannot think of a single legitimate reason why a coin like this would not be in a holder. >>
Legitimate reason: I don't collect slabbed coins, I like them raw. Then when I go to sell it I want to sell it now or I may need to sell it quickly, not pay a bunch of money for some unknown persons opinion about my coin and wait three months for it to come back before I can sell it.
Sure by having it slabbed I may be able to get more money from some people aren't sure of their own abilities to judge things, but the specialists who can will probably still do ok by me.
Many Collectors I run into that collect with a passion these much earlier, Classic coins will look at you with puzzlement and bewilderment when you bring up the idea of slabbing their collection.
That's as it should be.
peacockcoins
<< <i>Why is the last picture blue? Maybe he AT'd it?
That would border on trolling.
It is definitly OT as to the subject.
Please refrane from this or I will have to call your mommy.
<< <i>I cannot think of a single legitimate reason why a coin like this would not be in a holder >>
he11, i can think of several!
bottom line for the issue at hand, the coin looks genuine
K S
When I bought it over ten years ago, it was graded VF-25. Today it is in an NGC EF-40 holder. One might call that "grade-flation."