What would you grade this Morgan - GRADE POSTED

Lori

I think this Morgan is undergraded. What would be your grade based on this picture. It was graded by SEG for those that dont know the slab.

I will post the grade later today.

Thanks.

Lori

gsaguy

65

GSAGUY

Okie

Wasn't it Russ who so very well established how difficult it is to grade a coin based on a picture?

nwcs

Yep, pictures are not great for grading. But it can still be fun. I'll say 65 as well.

Lori

Yeah, yeah. We go through this everytime. I know it is hard from a picture but that is what we have to work with. Just your opinions from the picture. Thank you.

Lori

gemtone65

PCI-65, but if it were graded by PCGS, then MS64

jbsteven

64.8

JeffinMich

I'd go 64pq with a shot 65. Total guesses though with that scan. How's the luster?

K6AZ

I played around with the picture a bit in my image editor. Just going by what I could see by doing that, 64.

Okie

<< <i>Yeah, yeah. Just your opinions from the picture. >>



OK, in that case, 64.

DCAMFranklin

MS-64 - Usual disclaimers about grading from a scan.

Baley

I also like the coin as a 64, and a nice one at that, doesn't look like it would make 65 unless the luster is extraordinary (and it doesn't look in the scan like it is) Did SEGS give it a 63? the cheek looks pretty good but I think there are enough scattered marks to preclude 65 from PCGS or NGC.

greghansen

MS64. Plenty clean but with subdued luster.

CalGold

There appear to be a couple of small digs on Liberty's cheek bone just below the eye. While these may be small, they should kick it down to a grade no higher than 64.

One question I ask my self when I'm evaluating a coin at a certain grade, is "if offered to me as X grade would I pay X grade money for it?

If the answer is no, then it doesn't matter what the holder says. With the marks below the eye, I would not pay 65 money for this coin.

Also there is some softness of strike at the hair above the ear. Can't judge luster. Pin strach or two above the eagle. But its the hits below Liberty's eye that limit the grade.


CG

clackamas

The cheek is awfully nice for a 64, most 64's have very noticable marks, scrapes, etc on the face/cheek. I would say PQ65, form the picture. The marks on the reverse filed keep it from 66 IMO.

lordmarcovan

PQ64, shot at 65.

keets

i can't seem to get the entire picture to load. it stops high enough on the coin to hide the date and MM. why did you tell us which service holder it was in, trying to invite bias?

without knowing a date or mint i'll say it looks to be MS63-64 from the strike.

al h.

Lori

I am just trying to see if you grade the coin and not who slabbed it and the grade they gave. I will wait for a few more replies and show the picture with the grade. I think all will be surprised.

I would say it was a 64/65 from the picture. I don't actually have the coin yet so I am also going by the picture hoping it looks the same. I have bought from this dealer before and his pictures are accurate on his website.

Lori

jdimmick

Based on the photo, I would say Ms-64.

Elcontador

Lori,

You've gotten a lot of good feedback. A Philly Morgan usually should be well struck. Is the hair above the ear that softly struck, or is it the lighting? I'd like to see a 5 or higher with more detail in that area (but you usually won't get it re a Morgan from Nawlins). The cheek seems very clean, so no problems there. I like the rim toning. A question was raised re subdued luster, which will take a toll on a coin's grade. There is also a good-sized hit above the eagle on the reverse. A 4 doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

numonebuyer

I think it is either a high end MS-63 (I can't get past the luster), or a MS-64. I can only grade what I see (scans kill luster unless you are very good at scanning). Maybe in person it will just blow me away, but from what I see, it is either MS-63 or 64.

I hate to be the low ball in the group.

Numonebuyer

Lori

Here is the reason I asked you.

It is in a MS62 slab. Now remember we are all going by the picture, and to me the coin looks lots better.



Thanks for all the opinions and I will post the coin w new picture when I get it.

Lori

lordmarcovan

That is surprising, particularly as SEGS tends to overgrade rather than the opposite.

Baley

I am not all that surprised. I have 3 or 4 SEGS coins and they are all conservatively graded.
I also like the look and feel of their holder and the fact that the date/mm/grade is on top of the slab in little letters

lordmarcovan

Oh, don't get me wrong- I love their holders, and have seen accurately graded coins in them, too. They just tend to overgrade more often than undergrade, that's all.

sinin1

I was going to guess MS63

there is a good nick/scratch on the reverse below god and a couple other nicks to eagles right and below talons


the obverse picture looks computer played with to me- or else the light is at such an angle to not see much but the colors

also the obverse seems like a rather weak strike with detail lacking above the ear


Once you get it and take your pictures, we will get a better idea

???? are you thinking of cracking it out and submitting somewhere again ?? would want a 64 at least to do that wouldn't you?

byergo

Lock MS 64, decent shot MS 65

Peaceman

Hard to tell from a photo. Heck, the toning looks AT to me, just not deep enough around the stars. I see hits:

- Below the eye
- Where the chin and neck meet
- Toward the bottom of the neck
- Above the eagle's head
- Marks just above "united"
- By the "R" in dollar

Although small, there are a lot of them. You can see a lot of field abrations too. I'd say if you sent it to PCGS, you'd get a strong 62 maybe a 3.

MrKelso

Chatter there and about keep it from 65. There looks to be some sort of a mark above the eagles head, Is that really there or is it a product of the Photo i wonder? 64

carterhaines

I wouldnt be suprised if it is a 62. While I think it is a 65C from the picture, the picture us NOT a good representation of the coins technical aspects. There is WAAAAAY too much light in the picture, and its angle hides most scratches.