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redcents · June 6, 2003 1:56PM

To put up with me he'd have to be. Agreement reached. Sorry for all everyone thinks I need to be sorry for. Don't know how to entirely delete thread. If you know please let me know.

DMWJR · June 6, 2003 2:02PM

cupronik · June 6, 2003 2:04PM

I would think having a picture of the PCGS coin accompanying the description would be
an "unspoken" prerequisite in order to get the best E-Bay price. The persons who do my
E-Bay sales ALWAYS display a digital camera shot of the item offered.

Why else?

relayer · June 6, 2003 2:27PM

Sounds like a Done Deal to me.

itsnotjustme · June 6, 2003 2:47PM

PM Sent

mdwoods · June 6, 2003 2:48PM

Sometimes you have to grin and bear it.

cointime · June 6, 2003 3:24PM

Just wanted to add my opinion.

I would not print your personal email between each other in public just for a business sence and also because it is private.

As Doug said, I would try and resolve this through a PM, then keep it between yourself and Mark. If you do not like certain business habits of Mark, then I would pursue other options including buying from someone else.

I personally do not like to buy, without getting some idea of what a coin looks like, but then pictures can hide things or make a coin appear different than it really is. I have bought coins before from Mark with no problems and just accepted the way his auctions are listed.

Have a great weekend

braddick · June 6, 2003 4:20PM

RedCents: Right or wrong, I admit I would bend over backwards to keep you happy with the business you send out. If that included sending you insert numbers ahead of time I certainly would.
What do you want to bet, now that this is out in the open, Mark does the same thing?

redcents · June 6, 2003 6:43PM

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itsnotjustme · June 6, 2003 9:33PM

Since everything appears to go public, here's the PM I sent.

Redcents,
I almost posted this, then decided a PM was better. I've seen too many public fueds on the boards get ugly.

Look at it from the other side... he has sold you thousands of dollars in coins and it sounds like you don't trust him.

<< (I don't want to pay until I know what I'm getting. >>

Do you think the cert number you receive will not match the grade he auctioned? If he has always delivered the coin auctioned, and is willing to send the cert# after payment, why not just send payment and life will be good?

Just an idea.....

Brian

Fairlaneman · June 6, 2003 10:17PM

Man and some registry people cannot understand why others have a disdain for the registries. Well this is a prime example of why people have that disdain. What the heck is the difference between a couple of days that it takes to receive your coin. I guess in your opinion its better to slam this guy in public even though he has been a good source of coins for you.

I guess my only other comment is. Are you a number chaser or a collector ?

Ken

DMWJR · June 6, 2003 10:41PM

sinin1 · June 6, 2003 10:52PM

Maybe he does not have the coin in his possession, and does not feel like getting it until paid.

I'm thinking safety deposit box or selling on consignment ?

Datentype · June 6, 2003 11:11PM

Roger, why is this being posted to the public? i consider this our deal and not theirs. Please Edit this email down and/or delete it. if there's something you want to talk about give me your # or i'll give you mine. This looks like an attempt to publically humiliate me and i consider it off base.

I am extremely busy and I run an almost 1 Man show that produces thousands of quality coins per month. The time it takes to buy product, search it, slab it and sell off the remains is about 70+ hours per week, plus i'm a single Father with virtual full custody - so basically I'm trying to do it all. Where do you think this Grey hair comes from! lastly, let me just say that i'm trying very hard to make freinds and run a quality business and for the most part, I think I have suceeded.

Datentype · June 6, 2003 11:24PM

Thank you all for the PM's you have sent!

MS67PLUS · June 6, 2003 11:58PM

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egsantos · June 7, 2003 12:19AM

Before put my thread here I checked my files.
I bought 34 coins from Mark. Absolutely I didn’t have any problem with shipping, quality and personal treatment. Always he was absolute polite and very kind.
Sometime, for safety purpose, when is an expensive coin, I asked for seller inform me the registry number to include in my sets.
The idea is if the coin misplaced during the shipment, we (seller and I) have way to communicate the loss to PCGS, avoiding a register of a disappeared coin. But it is did in full courtesy, after the clear payment (in this moment the coin belongs to me), explaining to seller the idea.
To finish, commercial and personal problems should be treated among the parts and they should only be brought to public if there is a harmful action of one of the parts, what doesn't seem really to have happened in that case.

Edson

cosmicdebris · June 7, 2003 12:22AM

I want my cert number!

Sorry that's all I heard.

redcents · June 7, 2003 1:12AM

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redcents · June 7, 2003 2:00AM

EVillageProwler · June 7, 2003 2:03AM

Roger,

I think it is fair to say that many who've read through this thread will think long and hard before doing biz with you again.

EVP

melikecoins · June 7, 2003 2:04AM

I have not seen you buy any of my coins
I have alot of top pop Lincolns
If all you want is Cert# I will rent them.

Glen

redcents · June 7, 2003 2:06AM

BigE · June 7, 2003 2:10AM

Red hot chili pepper registrysetaholic please move this thresd to the US Coin Forum where it belongs

-------------------BigE

Datentype · June 7, 2003 2:15AM

My policy on slabbed coins is that PCGS grades a coin and it is sold on a sight unseen basis based on their expertise. The deals are done based on the reputation that I have the coin as well as PCGS's, that it is graded correctly. Once the sale is completed i.e. the coin is paid for, the keys to the car are handed over so you can drive the coin into the set. There is an arguement to be made that a clean title needs to be made before the deal is transacted but that's where my reputation comes into effect (5,000+ positives without a negative). These are my rules of sale and I think they sound fair. End of story.

redcents · June 7, 2003 2:20AM

redcents · June 7, 2003 2:21AM

Datentype · June 7, 2003 2:27AM

Now we are in 100% agreement, let's put an end to this. I will agree to negotiate as mentioned earlier with all people that I have done business with that make the cert # a term of sale. If the deal is done based on a trust basis and I hear okay I want the coin and you must have the cert # up front I will do it. If it's not negotiated like that up front I will use the normal procedure.

wondercoin · June 7, 2003 2:27AM

Datentype: I take issue with something you are stating in your defense. You mention you are a single father and getting grey hair. DID YOU EVER CONSIDER WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE A WIFE HAPPY? REALLY HAPPY? You want to talk about running out of time in the day, getting around 4-5 hours sleep a night like I get many a night. How about 2 kids instead of 1! And, as for the grey hair - you know it looks great and even my 11 year old son was asking you at the Lunch table how he could get that color in his hair!! Sorry, you'll need to come up with something better than that!!

Wondercoin

Datentype · June 7, 2003 2:29AM

Thanks Mitch! That's why you da man!

redcents · June 7, 2003 2:33AM

mdwoods · June 7, 2003 2:35AM

Redcents, it sounds as though this is just a misunderstanding. Mark appears to be doing business as usual, you really shouldn't expect him to change to suit your idea of how things should be done. It sounds like he is extremely busy and can barely keep up with things as it is. These facts, combined with his great reputation should make you take pause and maybe think about priorities here.

I can get extremely impatient myself, so I know the feeling. People do things differently and will rarely do things the way we like. However, the reverse is also true. By fixating on this, you are doing damage to yourself, believe me, I speak from personal experience.
Coins are for fun. Take care, mdwoods

docday2003 · June 7, 2003 2:39AM

<< TO : melikecoins, Senior Member
Don't want to rent but BUY. Don't appreciate the fecicious implication. If you don't like the registry you don't have to participate. If you don't like this thread you don't have to read it.

No one has YET addressed what in the world could be the potential downside of a dealer providing the cert number before he gets paid. Do you beleive as a matter a consumer fairness that a potential buyer has a right to know what he's getting or not? Also, if you liked, respected and trusted someone would you then still not give him the cert # and if so is the inverse not also true - if you refuse to give it must you NOT like &/or respect & or trust someone?

A perfect example. I recently bought a 1961 PR 68 DCAM Lincoln that said so on the label but when you did a cert verification at PCGS it said 68 CAM - NOT DCAM! If I was smart enought to check BEFORE I paid I would have avoided the hassle I am currently going through getting this fixed at PCGS. I still don't know if it was a cam labeled as a dcam or a dcam erroneousdly entered in their system as a cam. Paid DCAM $ though. THIS is not the problem here but just 1 reason why I belkeive consumers as a whole have a right to COMPLETE disclosure of info when buying this asset - a sthey currently do with other tangible assets - stocks, bonds, real estate, automobiles, artwork, etc. Or do some not want the hobby elevated to that level only to keep it relegated to consumer hoodwinking. >>

I personally think that the cert number is part of the purchase ie until you own it, you don't have a right to demand it. Once you have paid, it is yours. What's the big deal with that? With regards to your example above, the problem there is with PCGS, not with the seller - totally different issue IMHO.

What's the downside with releasing the info prior to payment?
1. It reduces your incentive to pay right away. If you desperately want that cert number, you will pay quickly to get it. Once you have the number, you may just take your time.
2. A buyer could take the number, register it, decide not to buy, then forget that he registered the coin. Then the seller has to go through the trouble of hunting you down....for nothing.

redcents · June 7, 2003 2:43AM

Spooly · June 7, 2003 2:58AM

Holy cow that's a RANT! Redcent.... please step away from the computer!

DMWJR · June 7, 2003 3:02AM

docday2003 · June 7, 2003 3:08AM

"I have been stoned on these boards"

What? Recreational drug use is NOT what I signed up for with this hobby!

redcents · June 7, 2003 3:12AM

wondercoin · June 7, 2003 3:12AM

There is something I love in this thread and that is the PASSION of Registry set collecting as the 6/03 deadline nears!! Roger has PASSION and, right or wrong, that is to be admired.

And, Roger, you wouldn't want to cause Mark any more hideous GREY HAIRS. Please just do your future biz with me and we can spare Mark future emotional distress

Wondercoin

Robgetty · June 7, 2003 4:14AM

OK, can we all be friends again??

Everyone understands now that

A- Roger wants cert #'s when deciding to buy coins.

B- Mark has a system that he likes to use when listing and selling coins that doesn't include certs.

C- Wondercoin has valiantly offered to sell to anyone.

I think that we have people getting mad on 'principle' right now; just take a deep breath,
realize that no one is accusing anyone of illegal behavior, smile, and remember that the
reason we are here is that we all enjoy this hobby. It is supposed to be fun, remember?

wondercoin · June 7, 2003 4:29AM

"C- Wondercoin has valiantly offered to sell to anyone"

Not to just "anyone" - again, I like and respect Roger's passion.

Wondercoin

redcents · June 7, 2003 5:26AM

As I told everyone at the lunch - I KNOW I'M A PAIN IN THE DONKEY REAR - BUT THOSE WHO KNOW ME TRUST ME - THOSE WHO TRUST ME RESPECT ME - THOSE WHO RESPECT ME LIKE ME. IF NONE OF THE 3 APPLYS TO YOU DON'T BUY FROM ME OR SELL TO ME. Sorry to ANYONE I may have offended.

IrishMike · June 7, 2003 5:43AM

50 frickin posts about a cert# so someone can bump two numbers in a registry set....to quote Russ "bwahahahahahaha". Someone is a barcode short of a full slab.

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