UtahCoin - That is an impressive picture you put together. I see those very dies are the same ones now on display at the museum adjacent to Temple Square in Salt Lake City as pictured in the photos linked above of the Mormon Gold Exhibit. Here is the link again for anyone wanting to compare your picture that shows the individual die details so graphically with the dies as now exhibited.
<< <i>I don`t know the answer to your question but, the Mormon Gold look pretty nice to me. I`m sure it`s a fascinating history of Mormon expressing their autonomy from the rest of society behind their production of these pieces. Being originally from Ohio and being persecuted for there beliefs, they moved westward to Utah. In that way they could have the freedom of practicing their religon. Producing their own currency, I think it would be reasonable to assume, not only a means of excanging goods and services but as an outward sign of disassociating themselves from the rest of society. >>
Actually the Mormons ( more properly referred to as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or LDS) originated in New York State. Yes they did go westward. One of their shrines is in Missouri where Joseph Smith was murdered by enraged individuals over the issue of polygamy. Eventually settling in Utah their Prophet received a communication from the Amighty repudiating polygamy. There still exist several divisions of the church which repudiate that alleged revelation and continue as of old. ----- The gold coins produced are indeed attractive. They were in their time ( a time of 'specie payment') regarded as being of short weight.
Many, many perfect transactions with other members. Ask please.
<< <i>I don`t know the answer to your question but, the Mormon Gold look pretty nice to me. I`m sure it`s a fascinating history of Mormon expressing their autonomy from the rest of society behind their production of these pieces. Being originally from Ohio and being persecuted for there beliefs, they moved westward to Utah. In that way they could have the freedom of practicing their religon. Producing their own currency, I think it would be reasonable to assume, not only a means of excanging goods and services but as an outward sign of disassociating themselves from the rest of society. >>
Actually the Mormons ( more properly referred to as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or LDS) originated in New York State. Yes they did go westward. One of their shrines is in Missouri where Joseph Smith was murdered ...... ----- . >>
Actually that was in Illinois (Carthage, Illinois) where the mob shot and killed Joseph Smith though you are correct that he was previously persecuted in Missouri. The site in Carthage is open to the public as a point of historical interest though not as a shrine in the traditional religious use of that term.
Well it is not Mormon and it is not gold, but my Territorial pictured below has an interesting connection to this thread. Lakesammman's newly acquired 1860 Mormon gold piece was made from Colorado gold in the same year that this $20 Clark & Gruber Territorial pattern was made in preparation for the gold pieces that they minted from the same Colorado gold. Ironically, the "mountain" that was on the 1860 Mormon gold piece pattern did not make it onto the Mormon gold coin while the Clark & Gruber featured a mountain (Pike's Peak). Check out UtahCoin's photo collage above and in particular the top middle die in which you can faintly see the mountain behind the lion for the die that made the 1860 Mormon Gold Pattern. incidentally, the gold for the earlier Mormon Gold Coins circa 1849 and 1850 was sourced from the gold of the California Gold Rush. Check out the link below to see Lakesammman's stunning 1860 Mormon Gold Coin.
Thanks for pointing out the mountain on the die - didn't notice that!
Feels like we are playing a territorial Uno game. Here's my play, ex. Garrett.
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Impressive coin and photo. Looks like I'll have to learn how to use the macro function on my point and shoot or hook up the macro lens to the SLR next time I attempt coin shots. Note the mountain on your $10 pattern looks more like the final product than the more triangulated mountain on my $20 Clark & Gruber pattern. Reportedly the designer of the coin had never seen Pike's Peak so that explains why the mountains on the coins look more like pyramids.
<< <i>Thanks for pointing out the mountain on the die - didn't notice that!
Feels like we are playing a territorial Uno game. Here's my play, ex. Garrett.
It is interesting to note how the mountain (Pike's Peak) in the $10 Clark & Gruber Pattern differs from the one in the $20. Clearly suggests that the smaller denomination pattern was made after the larger one given the improvement in the subject.
@northcoin said:
UtahCoin - That is an impressive picture you put together. I see those very dies are the same ones now on display at the museum adjacent to Temple Square in Salt Lake City as pictured in the photos linked above of the Mormon Gold Exhibit. Here is the link again for anyone wanting to compare your picture that shows the individual die details so graphically with the dies as now exhibited.
Mormon Gold Exhibit as now displayed to include dies
Amazing this above referenced link from 2009 still works!
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Mormon Gold Exhibit as now displayed to include dies
<< <i>I don`t know the answer to your question but, the Mormon Gold look pretty nice to me. I`m sure it`s a fascinating history of Mormon expressing their autonomy from the rest of society behind their production of these pieces. Being originally from Ohio and being persecuted for there beliefs, they moved westward to Utah. In that way they could have the freedom of practicing their religon. Producing their own currency, I think it would be reasonable to assume, not only a means of excanging goods and services but as an outward sign of disassociating themselves from the rest of society. >>
Actually the Mormons ( more properly referred to as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or LDS) originated in New York State. Yes they did go westward. One of their shrines is in Missouri where Joseph Smith was murdered by enraged individuals over the issue of polygamy. Eventually settling in Utah their Prophet received a communication from the Amighty repudiating polygamy. There still exist several divisions of the church which repudiate that alleged revelation and continue as of old.
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The gold coins produced are indeed attractive. They were in their time ( a time of 'specie payment') regarded as being of short weight.
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<< <i>I don`t know the answer to your question but, the Mormon Gold look pretty nice to me. I`m sure it`s a fascinating history of Mormon expressing their autonomy from the rest of society behind their production of these pieces. Being originally from Ohio and being persecuted for there beliefs, they moved westward to Utah. In that way they could have the freedom of practicing their religon. Producing their own currency, I think it would be reasonable to assume, not only a means of excanging goods and services but as an outward sign of disassociating themselves from the rest of society. >>
Actually the Mormons ( more properly referred to as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or LDS) originated in New York State. Yes they did go westward. One of their shrines is in Missouri where Joseph Smith was murdered ......
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Actually that was in Illinois (Carthage, Illinois) where the mob shot and killed Joseph Smith though you are correct that he was previously persecuted in Missouri. The site in Carthage is open to the public as a point of historical interest though not as a shrine in the traditional religious use of that term.
The 1860 Mormon Gold Coin minted from Colorado Gold
Feels like we are playing a territorial Uno game.
<< <i>Thanks for pointing out the mountain on the die - didn't notice that!
Feels like we are playing a territorial Uno game.
It is interesting to note how the mountain (Pike's Peak) in the $10 Clark & Gruber Pattern differs from the one in the $20. Clearly suggests that the smaller denomination pattern was made after the larger one given the improvement in the subject.
I don’t have pictures of my Mormon $5’s, but do have these true views:
Amazing this above referenced link from 2009 still works!
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/715681/mormon-gold-exhibit-not-to-be-missed/p1