Has the integrity the "MS"grade been raped?....

millennium

Look at this post on eBay..Sure looks lesss than "MS"......MS 63?????????? I think not.

mrdq

you can't grade from scans














wait.... sometimes you can detect wear

tjkillian

Those mintmarked dates in the '20's were known for bad strikes. If those are actually uncirculated, which I doubt, they could not grade any better than MS-61, in my opinion.

Tom

ccrdragon

I wouldn't say raped - but it has been very badly stretched....

geb209

I emailed the seller and he said that they work poorly struck, but MS nonetheless.

SeattleSlammer

"Raped"? Man, that's a tad harsh don't you think? I wouldn't say that because one dealer may be promoting overgraded coins means that the whole integrity of MS goes down the tubes...if they were all in PCGS MS63/4 holders, I'd get a bit more excited about it. But even in that case, MS would still be MS.

geb209

SeattleSlammer, I think you missed the point. It's not whether the "MS" grade has gone down the tubes, it's whether this seller has "raped" the grade. What do you grade those coin?

jonesy

Theyr'e lightly struck. MS60-MS61. All raw coins on Ebay use the ACG scale of grading!!
Glenn

lordmarcovan

Ernie overgrades pretty consistently. Soft strikes notwithstanding, to call some of those Lincolns "MS" is absurd, in my opinon.

This has not stopped me from buying a coin or two from him in the past, though. He does have some nice stuff, and if you collect hard-to-find holed coins like I do, he's probably got the best selection out there (yes, some coins are desirable even with a hole in them). He sells some nice coins and exonumia, too. Just watch your wallet. The prices are often fairly steep.

Never had any problem with him, but I would take his grading with a grain of salt, and watch the bottom line. Otherwise, I wouldn't call him a crook. My transactions with him went smoothly. I don't think he's a bad guy, even if he does need glasses.

itsnotjustme

I e-mailed him too. Asked if he posted the wrong pictures!

jeffnpcb

OH PLEASE!!! I've got three Lincoln sets from '09 to current and would pass immediately on these. I've seen and bought raw coins in full wheats as fines to XF! They are not poorly struck and don't even come close to an AU grade by standards!! He may be a good seller and need glasses, but progressive tri-focals won't help these!!

millennium

These are all circulated coins.(the 1934??)..I have every one of these in at least XF that look better than these..I was infering that the dealer ( good guy or not) has these overgraded....And was using the term "MS" rather loosly...

docday2003

Talking about rape. Did you know that canola used to be called rapeseed? They changed the name due to the poor publicity. Can you imagine an ad that hypes "100% pure rapeseed oil". OUCH

ksteelheader

The 34 D would probably make grade. The rest don't come close...Ken

michael

for me a waste of time and energy to even think about

a pass for me

sincerely michael

ElectricEye

raped? perhaps fondled roughly...

ARCO

It all boils down to "opinions". I can't think of any reason why anybody would call a coin an MS if it weren't? Whoops...there is one...money!

There are billions of wheat cents. One can wait for another that they feel is graded properly.

Tyler

Deadhorse

That 34D is the only one that even appears to approach his grading. The rest are circulation worn.

Weak strike is probably a better way to describe worn if you are an eBay seller shilling copper coins.