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1995 "W" West Point Replica at $305 and counting

Ljr1964Ljr1964 Posts: 132
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This private auction is getting out of control. Maybe I'm just jealous that the seller paid $11.00 for the proof.

See what you think.

1995 "W" Replica
LJR

Comments

  • ccrdragonccrdragon Posts: 2,697 ✭
    The seller has it private so that no one can warn the poor slobs that they are bidding on a replica and not the real thing - it's seller's like this that create ex-collectors. He knows exactly what he is doing and doesn't have the morals or ethics of a cat in heat! imageimageimageimageimage
    Cecil
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  • baccarudabaccaruda Posts: 2,588 ✭✭
    how do you contact ebay in regards to this auction? that's disgusting.
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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    The problem is the seller had done nothing wrong, other than being a scumbag! He states in the auction that it's a

    << <i>1995 "W" SILVER EAGLE COMMEMORATIVE PROOF >>

    . and lists that it is:


    << <i>Composition: 100 Mil .999 Pure Silver Clad Base

    Base Weight: 1 ounce. avdp

    Diameter: 39mm Silver Dollar Size

    Condition: Individually Struck Proof

    Edition Limit: 2,250

    includes CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY
    >>


    The only problem I see is that the title 1995 "W" West Point Silver Eagle Proof *NR states that the coin (if you can call it that) was made at West Point! Let's face it, the seller is a low life and the people bidding can't read!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • CollectorCollector Posts: 63
    i agree people should read and this guy is a big fraud..selling a cheap coin..but his picture sure looks like a real encapsulate silver eagle....seems like a true misrepresentation of an item to me.....
  • ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
    Marty is correct. People would still bid if there were 2 inch high letters spelling out FRAUD. Besides, there is a significant portion of the population that can't read, or comprehend what they're reading...Ken
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Just went up, I wonder if Geraldo is bidding on it!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, and this is not the first time we have seen this. Last time the bidders caught wise and retracted their bids. I hope it happens this time too.

    Ebay does a poor job of policing this stuff, but given the volume and diversity of stuff they auction, I guess it is to be expected. image
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  • VonZipperVonZipper Posts: 707
    Four people have retracted their bids.That looks like an original picture of the ASE, if it is would'nt that be against ebay rules?

    Pennies make dollars, and dollars make slabs!

    ....inflation must be kicking in again this dollar says spend by Dec. 31 2004!

    Erik
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    I E-Mailed the seller and asked if the coin pictured is the coin I will receive and got this response:


    << <i>no it is not a picture of the actual coin. the auction picture shows a little blur at the top of that coin. the actual coin is a perfect proof as stated in the SPECIFICATIONS

    thanks,

    stockbidder2
    >>



    What a Jerk!!!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • mbbikermbbiker Posts: 2,873 ✭
    WOW up to $500 with almost 2 days leftimage
    Gold + Silver for sale on BST, Eagles, Pandas, ATB's...
  • mrdqmrdq Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭
    I wish he had BIN On one of his auctions i'd drop $10 to give him a

    "this guy sells coine REPRODUCTIONS" feedback image

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  • mrdqmrdq Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭
    on second thought.. he DOES spell it out plainly in the description.... carpe diem

    BUT

    Now in commemoration of this special issue, you can get your own 1995 Pure Silver clad West Point Silver Eagle Proof at only a fraction of the original's cost.

    should say

    Now in commemoration of this special issue, you can get your own 1995 Pure Silver clad West Point Silver Eagle Proof reproduction at only a fraction of the original's cost.


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  • Ljr1964Ljr1964 Posts: 132
    Alright. Enough is enough. I sell reproductions. My ads all contain :This proof complies with the Hobby Protection Act of 1973 and is clearly marked “copy” on the reverse, and or a picture of the reverse which shows copy. If someone wants to bid it up, they know what they are getting.

    How can anybody possibly spend $500 freaking dollars on a repro? I have felt guilty when my bids hit $100, BUT I clearly state what they are buying, so I do get over it. All who have purchased and left feedback are satisfied with their reproduction.

    This seems wrong, wrong, wrong. This seller is being driven by greed. I just hope that Scamcrook is the winning bidder.

    Is this a case for Safe Harbor?
    LJR
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    I wonder if SCAMCROOK and GERALDO are in a bidding war! Who else would be stupid enough to pay that kind of money for a clad COPY of a coin!image
    Scamcrook, PM me please!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • Ljr1964Ljr1964 Posts: 132
    Coin is sitting at $1025. What a great deal for the lucky winner. 65% Less than the real thing!



    LJR
  • WANNABEDEALERWANNABEDEALER Posts: 156 ✭
    I turned him into ebay as selling counterfiet or replica coins without identifying them as such. Send safeharbor@ebay.com the auction number and details on what he is doing. Maybe we can stop him
  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    I just emailed the seller:

    As a long time rare coin dealer, who has acted as expert counsel for the Federal Trade Commission, it is my sincere advice that you end this auction and do not accept anyone's bid. They are being defrauded.

    Just received:

    the coin is NOT fraudulent. it is a proof coin made by the National
    Collector's Mint. it clearly states in the auction the Specifications of
    the coin.

    thanks,

    stockbidder2

    My response to him:




    <DIV>Mr. Cook</DIV>


    <DIV>The item being sold is not a coin. To be a coin, it must be issued by a government and have a denomination. You are perpetrating a fraud. For your own legal health, end this auction!!</DIV>


    <DIV>Julian M. Leidman</DIV>

    I have also emailed safeharbor
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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Just went up again! The seller must be having a field day!image
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Bidding has topped $2400!!!image
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No return policy, of course!

    Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...



  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Above $3000 when will the madness stop! I wonder when the seller realizes that the bidding is above what you can get a PCGS PR69DCAM for!!!!image
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • jeffnpcbjeffnpcb Posts: 1,943 ✭
    imageWith several of this type auctions running, it appears most bidders are too ignorant to read the complete description! This piece of crap isn't the first, nor the last! eBay should force all copies and counterfeits into a different catagory! If they list it in the description, it gets booted out of any coin catagory! They are doing nothing to prevent this action from stopping!image
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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Bump!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • Ljr1964Ljr1964 Posts: 132
    Bump?
    LJR
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Back up to the top!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    Auction closed!!!!!!! Hooray for our team.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!imageimageimage
    PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows.
    I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.

    eBaystore
  • Ljr1964Ljr1964 Posts: 132
    Now when he relists it with, copy, replica, reproduction or another properly decriptive word, and it goes to $3000, I personally won't have a problem. Those words will be very hard to read between the lines, of course a supersize of the reverse would be good too just for those who can't read words longer than COPY.
    LJR
  • baccarudabaccaruda Posts: 2,588 ✭✭
    kudos to Geraldo and Scamcrook for saving the real bidders from being scammed. He'll never know the grief he was saved by the anonymous "gaurdian angels".
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  • tgilliamstgilliams Posts: 1,969
    The Seller pulled the auction after canceling all the bids.
    PCGS sets under The Thomas Collections. Modern Commemoratives @ NGC under "One Coin at a Time". USMC Active 1966 thru 1970" The real War.
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    wow i just love this coin hobby!!!!!!!!!

    there are just sooooooooooooooo many great people in it trying their best

    with responsibility knowledge and intergrity

    to make it a better place




    sincerely michael
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    I'll bet he re-lists it with a buy it now of 600 and gets away with it----------BigEimage
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • MrLeeMrLee Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭
    Copies of coins should have to say "COPY" front and back. There is way too much fraud caused by these and the companies producing them know it. EBay should also be more diligent in watching for this type of auction. They have been warned enough to know they are a serious problem.

    Thanks to the Guardian Angel, whoever you are.

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